Air Lock Industries Suppressor

[Bater]

I’d like to see the video

You may have addressed this earlier… for people that are concerned with longevity of the company, what assurance can you provide? Reason I ask is if I have an issue 3,5,7,etc years later, will I likely own a fancy paper weight?


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Weird question, of course they plan to be in business for the long haul. What possible answer are you looking for here? Serious question

 

[TimberHunter]

Weird question, of course they plan to be in business for the long haul. What possible answer are you looking for here? Serious question

Not looking for anything in specific. I wanted to hear what the business owner’s thought was as to longevity and future service of products.

Not sure how asking about the longevity of a new company is weird? Figured it was a fair question for a new company that is asking +-$850 for a can. The other option being a bit heavier, louder can from a company that has been around for a while


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[gbflyer]

Not looking for anything in specific. I wanted to hear what the business owner’s thought was as to longevity and future service of products.

Not sure how asking about the longevity of a new company is weird? Figured it was a fair question for a new company that is asking +-$850 for a can. The other option being a bit heavier, louder can from a company that has been around for a while


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Maybe they can forward you their business plan. Jeez.


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[TimberHunter]

Maybe they can forward you their business plan. Jeez.


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That would be great! While I’m at it I’ll just copy it with my titanium printer in my spare bedroom


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[DannyB]

 

[TimberHunter]

Thanks for the video

From your testing, about how many shots in does mirage begin to show up?


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[khuber84]

Cool day with no breeze, no cover, I'll see mirage on one shot. 2 absolutely. This can gets hot quickly. Ls wild cover is a must!

 

[swavescatter]

Would it make sense to do a torture test with a can wrap? If any guys are running rounds quickly they'll definitely have a cover to fight mirage. I imagine this would keep the can hotter?

 

[DannyB]

Would it make sense to do a torture test with a can wrap? If any guys are running rounds quickly they'll definitely have a cover to fight mirage. I imagine this would keep the can hotter?

It would hold more heat, but it wouldn’t affect the integrity of the suppressor at all to fire 10 rounds quickly, even with a cover on. For context, this 100‑round test would have destroyed most covers.

 

[rbutcher1234]

For those worried about heat, shoot several shots as fast as possible with the can cover, remove it and temp gun the can. Problem solved.

@DannyB can we get a torture test of the nano?

 

[DannyB]

can we get a torture test of the nano?

16” 22 Creed barrel is being spun up this next week for that test.

 

[rbutcher1234]

Badass. Still going to probably buy one regardless

 

[OP101]

I had the same thought and bought a 7mm even though it's only going on 6.5 and 6mm rifles. It's so small and will be a little more quiet than the ZG6.5

I’ll be a first time can owner so no experience other than shooting buddies.

How noticeable is 1 db (128.5 db 7mm can vs 129.5 db 6.5mm can) in the real world? I was considering the 7mm too, but for $75, 1/2” less length, and 1oz less the 6.5 can offers, I’m wondering if 1 db quieter you’re referencing is worth it on a 6.5cm rifle. Curious of people’s thoughts.

 

[h2so4]

1db is not noticeable to your ear.

I’ll be a first time can owner so no experience other than shooting buddies.

How noticeable is 1 db (128.5 db 7mm can vs 129.5 db 6.5mm can) in the real world? I was considering the 7mm too, but for $75, 1/2” less length, and 1oz less the 6.5 can offers, I’m wondering if 1 db quieter you’re referencing is worth it on a 6.5cm rifle. Curious of people’s thoughts.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I’ll be a first time can owner so no experience other than shooting buddies.

How noticeable is 1 db (128.5 db 7mm can vs 129.5 db 6.5mm can) in the real world? I was considering the 7mm too, but for $75, 1/2” less length, and 1oz less the 6.5 can offers, I’m wondering if 1 db quieter you’re referencing is worth it on a 6.5cm rifle. Curious of people’s thoughts.

I generally only pay attention to ratings at intervals of 3. All other things being equal, I would choose a 128.5 before a 129.5 (on a TBAC summit test), but the two cans will be indistinguishable to most people.

If your ears are good enough to notice a 1 db difference, just keep shooting. You won’t be able to notice it for very long.

 

[swavescatter]

For those worried about heat, shoot several shots as fast as possible with the can cover, remove it and temp gun the can. Problem solved.

@DannyB can we get a torture test of the nano?

I'm not worried about heat, I'm simply saying that insulating the can with a wrap would hold more heat and therefore raise the temperature of the can, further pushing the material properties towards failure. I guess none of this is very scientific, and I'm guessing that the largest contributor to failure is the number of heat/cool cycles, not simply the duration and intensity of a single cycle.

All three of these cans are on my list to purchase next, just tossing ideas out there for testing. I'm hoping these hold up long term and we need guys out there getting thermal cycles and round counts to solidify the confidence.

 

[DannyB]

I'm not worried about heat, I'm simply saying that insulating the can with a wrap would hold more heat and therefore raise the temperature of the can, further pushing the material properties towards failure.

We use an extremely high-quality titanium powder for our printing process to minimize any risk of material degradation. As long as the suppressor is heat-cycled within a reasonable temperature range, you won’t see any compromise in the material.

Regarding the covers, I’m actually heading to South Dakota this weekend for Thanksgiving. I was already planning on taking the 6.5 that I just did the durability testing on. I also have an Armageddon Gear cover I haven’t tried yet, so it should be perfect for prairie dogs. I’ll bring it along and will probably put another 500 rounds through it this weekend, including 75–100 heat cycles.

For context, that suppressor was already one of my personal cans, it’s been on three hunts this year and had about 500–750 rounds on it before the recent test. We put thousands of rounds through our development cans before they ever reach customers.

 

[Andouille]

All three of these cans are on my list to purchase next, just tossing ideas out there for testing. I'm hoping these hold up long term and we need guys out there getting thermal cycles and round counts to solidify the confidence.

Given that this is one of the lightest hunting specific cans with clear use criteria provided, in what reasonable scenario do you envision pushing the can to greater heat stress than the video above, with or without a cover?

I dont need Toyota to send a Tacoma off a cliff to prove at which point the engine stops working, an similarly there's no need to go full auto to prove this can is durable. Im genuinely curious if here are instances of 3d printed can failure under normal use. I dont think they tend to "scythe" because of the lack of failure points like welds.

 

[khuber84]

Monolithic construction, no seams. I'd honestly like to see the failure point on a full auto! In this case, weight is not a sign of reliability, contrary to Boris thw Blade!

 

[swavescatter]

Given that this is one of the lightest hunting specific cans with clear use criteria provided, in what reasonable scenario do you envision pushing the can to greater heat stress than the video above, with or without a cover?

I dont need Toyota to send a Tacoma off a cliff to prove at which point the engine stops working, an similarly there's no need to go full auto to prove this can is durable. Im genuinely curious if here are instances of 3d printed can failure under normal use. I dont think they tend to "scythe" because of the lack of failure points like welds.

So what is the point of this test at all then? I believe Danny is doing what he reasonably thinks is multiple times worse than what any "hunting" can should experience; establishing a safety factor is where you overtest to demonstrate safety at lower limits. Adding a thermal wrap would increase that safety factor. If anyone is shooting more than 3 shots in a row with these cans, they'll wish they were using a wrap (range zeroing, etc.)

Your Toyota is tested destructively (crash test) to prove that it's safe to a certain extent. Toyota doesn't just let the truck idle into the curb 1,000 times in a row to prove it's crash safe.

This issue here is that there is no ANSI/SAAMI spec to which manufacturers can test thermal stress, and if there were it would probably involve cycles, not simply X rounds in X minutes. This is the same issue as the scope drop "evaluation". Doing things repeatedly and consistently gets very expensive and that's not what I'm advocating (but it would be cool).

I'm just tossing ideas out here and people are getting their panties in a wad