Air Lock Industries Suppressor

[Fever Buck]

Was the failure on exactly round 50? Would be curious if y’all could try a current production can without any blems to see where the failure occurs. I’m interested in your 6mm can coming in the future.

@DannyB just wanted to ping you on this.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

. Would it suck to have just bought an OG only to now have the OG 6.5 available? Absolutely yes...

Not if you are shooting a .30 caliber. It doesn’t matter if a 6.5mm can is quieter if you have a caliber too large to fit through it.

There are a ton of .30 caliber cans on the market. They are all sold on the premise that the consumer wants one can to fit on all his rifles, not one can for each rifle. If it is 2-3 db quieter to have .264 or .284 can vs a .308 can, that may be a reasonable trade off for the person who doesn’t want to buy another $1200 can for each bore diameter. Or does not want to buy a bunch of different end caps and keep remembering to swap them out on each can.

I, for one, haven’t compared a .308 can on a .308 Winchester vs a 6.5mm suppressor on a 6.5mm CM with the same barrel length. That is what I would want to see. I may have to look through the TBAC summit results to see if they did any tests like that close enough to compare.

I also don’t care what the can sounds like 10-20 feet off to the right or left. I care what it sounds like at the shooter’s ear. Those are the differences I want to see tested objectively.


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[Q_Sertorius]

Yes it was a pre-production blem with a crack by the end cap so I put on a 11.5 5.56. Go to post 206 and read forward.

What I don’t understand is why you posted that “test?” It would have been a lot simpler to conduct a test with the actual product. The question in my mind now is, “what happens when you do the same thing with an unblemished production version?”


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[Ajsomp]

Are your OG’s quieter than your Rugged?

Good question. I didn’t bring it to the range on my trip. I will grab it next go around. The razor 556 I have little confidence in, the radiant 7.62 is a long can so it may be quieter but it makes my rifle a musket in comparison.

 

[Kaleb]

Q I can only go on my ears and my cans but I have a polonium and a Noah ti. They’re both for 6mm. I’ve compared them on 6 creedmoor 6 arc and 22 caliber centerfire. To my ears(without ear protection…don’t tell anyone) I can not tell the difference between those caliber specific cans and my 30 caliber cans on the same guns. I’ve also been told the same thing by guys who have and used both. That’s why I don’t buy into changing end caps making a noticeable difference. Well that and others who have swapped them out saying they can’t tell enough difference to mess with it. Some say they can and I’m not here to argue. Just passing along what I experience with my ears.

 

[tscan24]

The back to back testing is impressive. Durable enough for its use case, and definitely out punches its weight class.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Q I can only go on my ears and my cans but I have a polonium and a Noah ti. They’re both for 6mm. I’ve compared them on 6 creedmoor 6 arc and 22 caliber centerfire. To my ears(without ear protection…don’t tell anyone) I can not tell the difference between those caliber specific cans and my 30 caliber cans on the same guns. I’ve also been told the same thing by guys who have and used both. That’s why I don’t buy into changing end caps making a noticeable difference. Well that and others who have swapped them out saying they can’t tell enough difference to mess with it. Some say they can and I’m not here to argue. Just passing along what I experience with my ears.

Yes, ear performance has to be measured objectively (with microphones and meters), not subjectively (with ears). And, again, I don’t care what the suppressor sounds like to an observer nearly as much as I care about what it sounds like to the shooter. When I was comparing cans the last time I was shopping, I literally totally ignored all sound values except SE dBA.

There are lots of cans that rank relatively better on the left or right test than they do on the SE dBA test.


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[DannyB]

@DannyB just wanted to ping you on this.

The blemished suppressor in that video was a pre-production unit that already had a crack (printing error) on the edge of the end cap. I posted it partly as a joke to show what a clear “warranty void” looks like, but also to illustrate the amount of heat generated by an 11.5” 5.56 doing mag dumps. That kind of heat will push titanium past its limits, and in this case it failed exactly where it was already weak—the crack.


To contrast, I ran one of my production demos through 60 rounds on a 16” 6.5 PRC. The difference in barrel length alone was obvious: the 5.56 suppressor turned glowing red, while the 6.5 only went blue. That experiment was just to show how much barrel length impacts heat generation.


Could I do another full burn-down on a production unit? Sure. But honestly, there’s not much point in destroying a perfectly good demo I still use just to prove the same thing again: short 5.56 barrels generate way more heat than a bolt-action rifle, even under hard use. This was proven when after 30 rounds the BLEM was glowing red yet after 20 round on a 16" 6.5 PRC it as just starting to change color.

 

[Presswood_936]

What I don’t understand is why you posted that “test?” It would have been a lot simpler to conduct a test with the actual product. The question in my mind now is, “what happens when you do the same thing with an unblemished production version?”


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the question in my mind is what amount of mag dumped 556 from an sbr would be acceptable to you on a 5 ounce bolt action silencer ? Or do you need to ask form first ?

 

[Q_Sertorius]

the question in my mind is what amount of mag dumped 556 from an sbr would be acceptable to you on a 5 ounce bolt action silencer ? Or do you need to ask form first ?

I’m not the manufacturer. Nor am I selling it. But if I was either of those, I would put the restrictions in the advertising and marketing information. Because I don’t like losing lawsuits.


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[DannyB]

The back to back testing is impressive. Durable enough for its use case, and definitely out punches its weight class.

Someone asked earlier about comparisons, here is an at the ear comparison of a Zero Gravity vs Harvester Evo. On our YouTube we also have muzzle comparison.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Not if you are shooting a .30 caliber. It doesn’t matter if a 6.5mm can is quieter if you have a caliber too large to fit through it.

There are a ton of .30 caliber cans on the market. They are all sold on the premise that the consumer wants one can to fit on all his rifles, not one can for each rifle. If it is 2-3 db quieter to have .264 or .284 can vs a .308 can, that may be a reasonable trade off for the person who doesn’t want to buy another $1200 can for each bore diameter. Or does not want to buy a bunch of different end caps and keep remembering to swap them out on each can.

I, for one, haven’t compared a .308 can on a .308 Winchester vs a 6.5mm suppressor on a 6.5mm CM with the same barrel length. That is what I would want to see. I may have to look through the TBAC summit results to see if they did any tests like that close enough to compare.

I also don’t care what the can sounds like 10-20 feet off to the right or left. I care what it sounds like at the shooter’s ear. Those are the differences I want to see tested objectively.


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My next silencer will be one for 6.5/6mm so probably the airlock. Maybe the wolf hunter but the responses from airlock on this thread have me leaning towards it. Can’t beat the weight too. I normally an ounce in either direction dosent get my attention (as I said I can’t tell the difference of 1 ounce on identical rifles) but the airlock is like 3-4 ounces so it has my attention.

Also while I understand that companies have to get products out to get used in order to make future improvements, I’m not going to do the beta testing for companies like UM no matter how much formidulosis says we should (I mean seriously, he gets to test stuff for free then lectures us about how we need to buy it so the company can make more???), especially not with something that costs 1000 +/- dollars that is a pain in the ass to sell if I want to move on from. I fell for that with the banish 30 and the scythe….the banish 30 was shit AND they have a new model out. The scythe…well we all know about that, even if they make a v2, that dosent mean they will be replacing the old ones necessarily. I’d be pissed if I got the OG and then a “lite” version came out right away.

I’m realizing I just wanted the OG because it was new and there isn’t much out there for OTB silencers, in reality, it’s not lighter or quieter than what i already have, just sticks out the front less. That’s not to say it isn’t good but I don’t think it would be much of an upgrade for me. The reaper maybe but now that airlock is showing up and demonstrating some abuse tests, I’d probably lean that way.

 

[Kaleb]

I’ll probably just order one. My scythe should have already blown up. My pickup should have already lost its 10speed transmission and my dually should have already failed me due to the def. Not to mention my little guns and match bullets shouldn’t kill deer.

 

[tscan24]

Full disclosure, I was lucky enough to get a prototype in the spring and was the first person to kill with an Airlock suppressor (spring bear) and have put a couple hundred rounds through it of normal use (letting the barrel cool every 5 rounds or so) with no issues whatsoever. It has since already put its second notch in the stock, performing flawlessly again.

Like pretty much everyone else that has actually used one in person, I don’t plan on using any other suppressor for a hunting application. It’s that good.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

What I don’t understand is why you posted that “test?” It would have been a lot simpler to conduct a test with the actual product. The question in my mind now is, “what happens when you do the same thing with an unblemished production version?”


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Maybe it wasn’t as much of a “test” as you think it was. Maybe they just knew it was faulty so they wanted to blow it up.

 

[lintond]

the question in my mind is what amount of mag dumped 556 from an sbr would be acceptable to you on a 5 ounce bolt action silencer ? Or do you need to ask form first ?

Come on man quit being an antagonist


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[Fever Buck]

The blemished suppressor in that video was a pre-production unit that already had a crack (printing error) on the edge of the end cap. I posted it partly as a joke to show what a clear “warranty void” looks like, but also to illustrate the amount of heat generated by an 11.5” 5.56 doing mag dumps. That kind of heat will push titanium past its limits, and in this case it failed exactly where it was already weak—the crack.


To contrast, I ran one of my production demos through 60 rounds on a 16” 6.5 PRC. The difference in barrel length alone was obvious: the 5.56 suppressor turned glowing red, while the 6.5 only went blue. That experiment was just to show how much barrel length impacts heat generation.


Could I do another full burn-down on a production unit? Sure. But honestly, there’s not much point in destroying a perfectly good demo I still use just to prove the same thing again: short 5.56 barrels generate way more heat than a bolt-action rifle, even under hard use. This was proven when after 30 rounds the BLEM was glowing red yet after 20 round on a 16" 6.5 PRC it as just starting to change color.

I get that. Just thought it would be a good way to prove your point of the Blem affecting the failure. But get that it waste a decent amount of $ to prove. Thanks for the follow up.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I get that. Just thought it would be a good way to prove your point of the Blem affecting the failure. But get that it waste a decent amount of $ to prove. Thanks for the follow up.

Seems like they could just make the warning “no mag dumps” and probably be pretty ok.

 

[Kaleb]

Maybe it wasn’t as much of a “test” as you think it was. Maybe they just knew it was faulty so they wanted to blow it up.

That’s a good point and it kinda sounds that way by his last reply on the subject. Kinda like if a screwed up one can handle that a regular one will be totally fine.

Like I’ve said before I have absolutely no reason to get one that hot. I won’t be able to see due to mirage before the suppressor gets that hot anyway. Not to mention we’ve already seen the LS covers I like to use will melt to the can at that type temperature. I have more than a few rifles I like and need to practice with. After 5-10 rounds I normally swap due to mirage and having a couple others setting there I want to shoot too.

 

[Fever Buck]

Seems like they could just make the warning “no may dumps” and probably be pretty ok.

I agree. I’ll buy one of these and use it as a dedicated 6CM bolt rifle suppressor and put 2-300 rounds a year through it and it’ll be perfect for that application. I’m sure 99% of regular people outside of some of the Rokslide commandos will be totally safe with this use case.