Advice on Hoyt Defiant

[Brandon Guitierez]

I am in the process of finalizing my purchase (payments) of my new Hoyt Defiant (first thousand dollar bow). Anyway, with my PSE Bow Madness I'm running a stabilizer in the front and rear. I am happy with that set up, and the weight feels good (especially in the wind). However, I know the mount on the Hoyt for a stabilizer is offset centerline on the riser (PSE is inline with the riser). That being said (for a hunting rig), do I need a rear stabilizer? Curious to know what you pros think.

Semper Fi.

 

[xcutter]

Well let me say I'm no pro but have been shooting for a long time. The back bar would be more of a preference than necessity on any setup. I like shooting a back bar on my Hoyt CS34. It helps me settle my pin and hold more steady. I would put your stabs on the new Hoyt and try it out. Do some testing and see if it helps you shoot any tighter groups. You may have to play around with the weight placement. A perfect setup for me is when I draw the bow I can shut my eyes get my anchor then open my eyes and the bow should be level. This is what stabs do for me. They also get rid of that fast floating movement of my pins when holding on target. They slow the movement down.

Oh yeah and your sight has to be leveled properly.

 

[Brandon Guitierez]

Well let me say I'm no pro but have been shooting for a long time. The back bar would be more of a preference than necessity on any setup. I like shooting a back bar on my Hoyt CS34. It helps me settle my pin and hold more steady. I would put your stabs on the new Hoyt and try it out. Do some testing and see if it helps you shoot any tighter groups. You may have to play around with the weight placement. A perfect setup for me is when I draw the bow I can shut my eyes get my anchor then open my eyes and the bow should be level. This is what stabs do for me. They also get rid of that fast floating movement of my pins when holding on target. They slow the movement down.

Oh yeah and your sight has to be leveled properly.

Hey that's great advice man, thank you! I have been shooting solid for only a year and a half. Which is to say I'm still very very green. These things will be considered in my shooting now, and with my new bow. I really appreciate it.

 

[elkbowkevin]

weight and stabs really depend on the weight of the sight, dovetail distance form riser, and rest. a heavier sight like a dial up Hogg or others may up the need for less weight in the front and more in the back. A tight spot quiver can also help alot with weight dist as it can move in/out, L/R and tilt fwd and back.
I got my 14 CST where it sits level in hand and at the shot with only 4oz out in the end of a 9" rod. tried a back bar and thought the float increased. Right now it nice and "stoned- turtle- slow".

 

[N2TRKYS]

I don't shoot tournaments, so I have zero need for a back bar.

 

[N2TRKYS]

On a different note.....how does the Defiant shoot? I bought a Carbon Element a few years ago and love it. Before that, I had been shooting a Mathews MQ1.

 

[Brandon Guitierez]

weight and stabs really depend on the weight of the sight, dovetail distance form riser, and rest. a heavier sight like a dial up Hogg or others may up the need for less weight in the front and more in the back. A tight spot quiver can also help alot with weight dist as it can move in/out, L/R and tilt fwd and back.
I got my 14 CST where it sits level in hand and at the shot with only 4oz out in the end of a 9" rod. tried a back bar and thought the float increased. Right now it nice and "stoned- turtle- slow".

Reading this reply it's very clear that I am doing it wrong. I have a tight spot, I'm running a trophy ridge react 5 pin sight (sorta heavy), etc. However, I have not really tweeked the quiver, nor have I taken the weight into consideration in regards to my stabs. Basically, I have put these things on my bow, and have done my best to make it work. All without adjustments. I am just now learning about 3rd axis! Ha-ha. I really appreciate the insight. I've been pretty much solo on my bow hunting journey. Thanks man. I'm going back to the drawing board and making my PSE (the backup bow) as efficient as I can.

 

[Brandon Guitierez]

I don't shoot tournaments, so I have zero need for a back bar.

That's cool bro. I like em though! haha

 

[Brandon Guitierez]

On a different note.....how does the Defiant shoot? I bought a Carbon Element a few years ago and love it. Before that, I had been shooting a Mathews MQ1.

I am still getting all the accessories in. But when I went to my bow shop, Dave let me knock an arrow. It had a whisker biscuit and a d-loop. All I can say is light years difference from PSE! After one arrow, I can see what the fuss is about. I'll be moving the PSE into back up status, and I'll be hitting the mountain with the Hoyt this year. That said, love the weight, forgiveness, and man it was quiet!

 

[elkbowkevin]

Yup Brandon that's the same way I felt when I shot the Carbon hoyts for the first time back in 2012. The Tech that was standing next to me just about snorted out his glug of mt dew when I shot it the first time and turned to him and said "Oh man,, I think I just had a bow-gazm this thing shoots so good"
Took a couple years but now I have the 2014 carbon turbo and love every shot out of it. good or bad

 

[Brandon Guitierez]

Yup Brandon that's the same way I felt when I shot the Carbon hoyts for the first time back in 2012. The Tech that was standing next to me just about snorted out his glug of mt dew when I shot it the first time and turned to him and said "Oh man,, I think I just had a bow-gazm this thing shoots so good"
Took a couple years but now I have the 2014 carbon turbo and love every shot out of it. good or bad

LMAO...Bowgazm is perfect!!! I'm counting the days, it will be all mine on the 29th. Right in time for this season.

 

[DEW0341]

I have a 10 degree bee stinger QD and for hunting it is fine, settles the pin a bit faster to me at least


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[4IDARCHER]

I had a defiant turbo, a defiant 30 and 34. I also had a carbon defiant 34 and now the carbon defiant 31. All the bows held well and on the aluminum bows I did not run a back bar. I like a light bow for stalking and packing in so I didn't want the extra weight. On all these bows I was running a tightspot quiver and a dovetail sight. On the carbon bows a back bar isn't a bad idea and do like how they hold. If I am going to run a back bar (on any bow) though I want that weight to be as low as possible and either use the rear back stabilizer threaded hole or the lower quiver mount. This means the Shrewd mounts most of the time. I mention this because on the carbon bows the way the tubes of carbon are ran you have to set that mount out a bit if mounted through the lower stabilizer hole. Not a big deal to me but it might kick the stabilizer out a bit too much for some.