Action Design For Hunting

Maybe im missing it but I still dont see a clear point to this thread.

Is it a rant about how you would like to hunt with other rifles but wont because you don't consider them safe enough?

Are you trying to "learn" us something?

Are you trying to convince others to stop carrying chambered unless you have a Blaser?

Are you seeking validation because you own expensive guns?

What is your goal?
 
I will own two claims, specifically, I do hunt with an ATZL (match/hunt) trigger. I have 3,000 plus training rounds on this rifle, I know the trigger well, I shoot better with it. To me, I can make a more ethical shot with it. I know when it breaks and I don’t think that’s wrong.
In a lifetime of hunting I have absolutely came to prefer crisp single stage triggers of no less than 1.5# and up to 3.5# but I have never once been able to prove to myself that I am hindered from making any ethical shot with a trigger of 4# or even 5# as long as I understand when it's going to break before I attempt the shot.

For context, the vast majority of my shots on game have involved a field expedient rest of some sort, with offhand every once in a great while, and a handful from prone. But I find it incredibly difficult to believe that anything less than 1.5# (others might say 1# or 2# but the principle will apply across the board here) is actually going to increase the proficiency of the man pulling it, in the typical hunting scenario.

Benchrest? Ehhh maybe. Literally any field shooting scenario you might envision? No. Ain't happening.

I'm fairly certain the guys on this forum who shoot multiple thousands of rounds per year will affirm that - once the trigger has a certain degree of crispness and lightness and the user can rely on it to have a consistent pull, there's not even the slightest marginal benefit to going below some certain weight, and that weight probably isn't much less than 3#. And once you’re below a pound or so the chances of discharging because of a cold finger or a gloved finger or a twig or some piece of gear getting tangled as you raise the rifle, has to go up exponentially.

And that would worry me waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more than any concern about a typical two position safety lever. Or what if you get a twig or piece of grass jammed into the mechanism so that when you take it off safe there’s some residual pressure there?

Muy peligroso, mi amigo.

ETA: see also ‘strain at gnat, swallow a camel’
 
In a lifetime of hunting I have absolutely came to prefer crisp single stage triggers of no less than 1.5# and up to 3.5# but I have never once been able to prove to myself that I am hindered from making any ethical shot with a trigger of 4# or even 5# as long as I understand when it's going to break before I attempt the shot.

For context, the vast majority of my shots on game have involved a field expedient rest of some sort, with offhand every once in a great while, and a handful from prone. But I find it incredibly difficult to believe that anything less than 1.5# (others might say 1# or 2# but the principle will apply across the board here) is actually going to increase the proficiency of the man pulling it, in the typical hunting scenario.

Benchrest? Ehhh maybe. Literally any field shooting scenario you might envision? No. Ain't happening.

I'm fairly certain the guys on this forum who shoot multiple thousands of rounds per year will affirm that - once the trigger has a certain degree of crispness and lightness and the user can rely on it to have a consistent pull, there's not even the slightest marginal benefit to going below some certain weight, and that weight probably isn't much less than 3#. And once you’re below a pound or so the chances of discharging because of a cold finger or a gloved finger or a twig or some piece of gear getting tangled as you raise the rifle, has to go up exponentially.

And that would worry me waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more than any concern about a typical two position safety lever. Or what if you get a twig or piece of grass jammed into the mechanism so that when you take it off safe there’s some residual pressure there?

Muy peligroso, mi amigo.

ETA: see also ‘strain at gnat, swallow a camel’
At least it explains why OP is so worried about something getting caught on his trigger and setting it off. I think a big dragonfly could land on that thing and trip the trigger.
 
Two, I load a round in the pipe, I de-cock the gun, and I consider it safe. I hike with it, pack it for hours etc etc. I know the design well, I do think it’s perfectly secure and not irresponsible. I wouldn’t do that with a tikka, personally. Some of you have stated that you do. I’m sure your confident and familiar enough with your weapon but that is just not the choice I would make for the reasons I have already mentioned.
It seems like you’re making some kind of academic argument without any practical application
 
In a lifetime of hunting I have absolutely came to prefer crisp single stage triggers of no less than 1.5# and up to 3.5# but I have never once been able to prove to myself that I am hindered from making any ethical shot with a trigger of 4# or even 5# as long as I understand when it's going to break before I attempt the shot.

For context, the vast majority of my shots on game have involved a field expedient rest of some sort, with offhand every once in a great while, and a handful from prone. But I find it incredibly difficult to believe that anything less than 1.5# (others might say 1# or 2# but the principle will apply across the board here) is actually going to increase the proficiency of the man pulling it, in the typical hunting scenario.

Benchrest? Ehhh maybe. Literally any field shooting scenario you might envision? No. Ain't happening.

I'm fairly certain the guys on this forum who shoot multiple thousands of rounds per year will affirm that - once the trigger has a certain degree of crispness and lightness and the user can rely on it to have a consistent pull, there's not even the slightest marginal benefit to going below some certain weight, and that weight probably isn't much less than 3#. And once you’re below a pound or so the chances of discharging because of a cold finger or a gloved finger or a twig or some piece of gear getting tangled as you raise the rifle, has to go up exponentially.

And that would worry me waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more than any concern about a typical two position safety lever. Or what if you get a twig or piece of grass jammed into the mechanism so that when you take it off safe there’s some residual pressure there?

Muy peligroso, mi amigo.

ETA: see also ‘strain at gnat, swallow a camel’
Blaser specifically states that in match mode the trigger can fire by pressing on the back of it, then removing that pressure quickly. That is at the 8.8 ounces they spec, I wonder if the OP has modified it to be lighter?
 
In general I don't care what type or style of safety is on a rifle because I generally do not hunt with a round in the chamber. My choice it to chamber a round after seeing an animal I want to shoot then the safety may come into play.
What is more important to me as far as how the action is designed is the trigger. I do not want side plates on the sides of the trigger if the rifle will be used in wet conditions when the temperatures can drop below freezing. Water gets in, ices up, freezes, and your screwed till its thawed.
This is why the Ruger 77 and older style Win 70 rifles are so popular up here in Alaska.
 
I'm actually embarrassed that I replied to a guy in a rifle safety thread that hunts with a 4oz trigger
What worries me is that some well meaning kid is going to ask ai about how to hunt with a rifle safely before going out on his first hunt. AI will summarize this thread, and tell him that walking around with a loaded chamber is something that guys on rokslide do.
 
Correction, the trigger is 250 grams…..which is 8.8 ounces. I had that wrong. It certainly doesn’t feel like a “dragon fly” landing on it will set it off. It is a light trigger, comparable to where a lot PRS shooters have there triggers set.

650 grams in the hunting mode….roughly 2 pounds.

At this point it’s all about the memes so I’m not even going to try change the trajectory if this thread, which is now pure entertainment but did want to correct my statements,
 
Two, I load a round in the pipe, I de-cock the gun, and I consider it safe. I hike with it, pack it for hours etc etc. I know the design well, I do think it’s perfectly secure and not irresponsible. I wouldn’t do that with a tikka, personally. Some of you have stated that you do.
Who has stated they pack around a loaded tikka?

The whole point is folks said they don't do that, they unload it when packing it around. Maybe I am missing someone in here other than you that pack around a loaded gun but the vast majority (ie all I recall in this thread but again maybe I missed someone) don't.
 
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