Action Design For Hunting

[ddd-shooter]

Interesting. Sounds like guns really don't need a safety at all then.

Wait until you find out about what responsible people used to do before lawyers got involved….
Wait until you pick up a firearm made before safeties were a thing

 

[cottonant]

Wait until you find out about what responsible people used to do before lawyers got involved….
Wait until you pick up a firearm made before safeties were a thing

Hell when I shot PRS the safety was always off with the mag out and bolt back. More than one way to skin a cat

 

[Kjc103]

At this point, I'm just hoping for more feet pics.

This makes no sense.
I can ALSO imagine a crazy scenario whereby some piece of gear pushes the blaser cocking mechanism into “fire” position. Simply because that imaginary, far out scenario CAN exist in my stupid brain, doesn’t mean it is valid.
You keep admitting poor muzzle control of a loaded rifle. I think you should think about that for a while. It’s literally against every firearm principle.

I also don’t own a tikka.


Time for memes yet?

I keep admitting I have poor muzzle control of a loaded firearm? Really dude?

You can just admit that you don’t understand the design of the firearm I’m discussing. Why would you, there are hardly any around.

Here’s the deal, this isn’t going to go anywhere because no one knows wtf a Blaser is. Admittedly, I didn’t expect that.

Alas, we are at an impasse.

 

[bnewt3]

Sooooooooo this whole 182 reply and counting thread is about how you would have a Tikka if not for this(in your mind) MASSIVE flaw.

Nope, I don't buy it. Either you wanted everyone to know you have multiple Blasers or you are a gigantic troll..........or both.

 

[JohnJohnson]

@Formidilosus since you have an R8 on hand, can you articulate the difference in force needed to cock the R8 (in the way he keeps mentioning) versus taking the safety off a Tikka? I just don't see how the R8's button wouldn't suffer from the same imaginary scenario as a Tikka safety but maybe it's really hard to cock.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus since you have an R8 on hand, can you articulate the difference in force needed to cock the R8 (in the way he keeps mentioning) versus taking the safety off a Tikka? I just don't see how the R8's button wouldn't suffer from the same imaginary scenario as a Tikka safety but maybe it's really hard to cock.

The R8 is quite stiff, with a long travel to cock. Undoubtedly it would be harder to “accidentally” cock it; but neither is a real thing. I would not, and do not carry the R8 chambered in any scenario that I wouldn’t a T3, M70, etc. It’s a completely mental masterbation, contrived issue.

 

[ddd-shooter]

I keep admitting I have poor muzzle control of a loaded firearm? Really dude?

See below:

The Blaser is loaded all the time when I’m in the field or packing it. It was even loaded when I was packing in horseback.

The hammer is de-cocked until I’m ready to shoot.

Would not do any of that with a tikka.

Furthermore, I’m hunting with a 4 ounce trigger. I also wouldn’t do that with a Tikka.

It’s not nonsense.

That’s how they are designed to be carried. It’s literally in the DNA of how it was conceived and brought to market. It is one of the main advantages to the design and it was intentional. Specifically, for driven hunts.

You have one of mine in your possession, feel free to try and simulate that hammer getting cocked unintentionally.

Comparing an M4 or M77 isn’t relevant to the claim of how the Blaser was designed. However, I carried both with the safety’s selected.

Blazer disagrees. Direct from the R8 manual. Makes my point nicely when the manufacturer says you don't understand te design.

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I mean, idk. I’m just taking your words for the truth (my mistake) and then comparing them with the principles of safe firearms handling (and, thanks to @Marbles, the literal owners manual for the gun.)

Time for memes

 

[rookieforever33]

Almost to the end of page 10 and no meme hole gang yet! I even offered myself up for sacrifice with a negligent discharge. Another guy showed his bloodshot toes. WTF

 

[ddd-shooter]

Almost to the end of page 10 and no meme hole gang yet! I even offered myself up for sacrifice with a negligent discharge. Another guy showed his bloodshot toes. WTF

 

[ddd-shooter]

 

[ozyclint]

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Mine was pointing in a safe direction after clearing the chamber and dropping the hammer for storage. I guess it wasnt clear until I dropped the hammer.

You obviously don't shoot 77tmk's?

I'm sure a 77tmk would have blown 4 tiles off the roof into the street.

No wait, 4 tiles would have been vapourised.

 

[ddd-shooter]

 

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[Kjc103]

Wow, I leave for a few hours and this has really taken on a life of its own .

We got memes, form is talking about jerking off….this really something.

 

[Kjc103]

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This one’s actually pretty good.

Respect.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

The tikka, has all the mechanical energy stored, ready to fire. The safety is blocking the firing pin. So, if for any reason, the safety is disengaged (MUCH easier to do than cocking a Blaser) it will fire.

Funny my rifles don’t fire themselves when the safety is disengaged. They also don’t have 4oz triggers.

 

[ozyclint]

Who the hell would have a 4oz trigger? No way I'd lug that much trigger weight around the backcountry.

@ultralight ultralight rifle

 

[bnewt3]

All this time I was hoping there was a point, a goal, maybe a solution we were working toward. Alas, we dun got got by a troll.

 

[General RE LEE]

I’m going to stir some sh*t up with this post, no doubt. So trigger warning if you’re trying to keep your blood pressure down.

I think the fatal flaw in the Tikka action for hunting is that it is not rock solid safe to carry a round in the chamber. If you do carry it hot, even if it’s unlikely, that safety can be flicked off and that trigger can snag on any number of things and go off. To a lesser extent, the bolt could flip open, though I have never personally had that happen.

This is the only reason I have not gone all in on a Rokstok-Tikka build. I am 1,000 percent convinced of every other argument for that action, I have had one before. It’s just as smooth as a $1,500 custom actions (maybe smoother), it’s durable, the trigger is excellent and reliable, etc etc. All undeniable.

I have a dozen or so custom’s built on 700 custom clones. They’re all collecting dust right now for the same reason. In fact, they’re probably worse in this regard. I did have a stiller long action safety get bumped going through brush once.

The best safety designs? Blaser R8 (Sauer 505 too), Ruger M77. The blaser cannot possibly fire, there is no energy in the firing pin. It is totally inert until cocked. The M77 locks all the way back and snug against the bolt. It’s not protruding, it has zero play, and you can physically see metal on metal blocking that firing pin from dropping. The edge goes to the blaser design here but I’ll argue all day the merits of the M77. They’re rock freaking solid. Unfortunately, there’s just not a lot of good aftermarket options for a modern lightweight stock.

The Winchester model 70 and any similar with the largish blade are better than tikka/remington but I’m only like 85 percent confident carrying an M70. I want to be 100 percent. The safety is always a little loose fitting and not confidence inspiring.

I’m open to the MCR Marshall whenever that comes out. I’ll buy one and try it.

Operating firearms isn’t for everyone