Action Design For Hunting

[bnewt3]

Correct, I’m making an argument.

What argument? That everyone with anything but a Blaser, Sauer, or M77 AND carries with a round in the chamber is sucidal or willfully neglegent?

 

[goalie]

What argument? That everyone with anything but a Blaser, Sauer, or M77 AND carries with a round in the chamber is sucidal or willfully neglegent?

Not to fan the flames, but a LOT of platforms utilize a 3-position safety. Howa does, heck, even the gen2 Ruger American does.

 

[bnewt3]

Not to fan the flames, but a LOT of platforms utilize a 3-position safety. Howa does, heck, even the gen2 Ruger American does.

My understanding is that 3-position safety is not enough according to his criteria. Savage 110 also has a 3-position safety. Yet, those 3 specific models(+1 future model) are the only ones that meet his standard.

What im not understanding is the point of all this.

 

[Formidilosus]

The safety can get pumped, the gun will fire. However unlikely or rare, these things can and do happen.

I prefer the Blaser design (or Sauer), because the gun cannot go off if you engage the “safety”. Nor could it get bumped and disengaged. The rifle is completely inert when the hammer is de-cocked.

The problem with Blaser is they’re financially out of reach for a lot of guys. They’re also more complicated. I would switch to a Tikka platform but for the safety and I can frankly buy anything I want at this point in life.

I’m not being a boujee bitch. It’s really the design that is holding me back.

I’m going to pick up an MCR Marshall when they come out. If that 3 position design is as confidence inspiring as the M77, I’ll switch to that platform.

All of that are cognitive disconnects. Regardless of your background with a HK and M4 is- this is a nonsensical issue born out of lack of experience and understanding.
The T3 safety cannot fire unless you pull the trigger- regardless of the safety being “bumped off”.
The safety on your M4 can get bumped off. The safety on your shotgun can get bumped off. The safety on your M77 can be bumped off. The safety on every single gun ever made can be “bumped off”- even a Blaser “bumped” hard enough.

I see over 100,000 rounds a year fired from T3’s, 200+ days of field use a year with them, and hundreds of animals killed all nicer the country. Not one time has a safety been “bumped off”. The MRC isn’t any different- in reality M70 style wing safeties are more apt to get moved accidentally.

This is a completely contrived “issue”, that you have made a “thing” out of.

 

[Formidilosus]

You guys discussing 2 position versus 3 position, unloading, etc. are missing what he is getting at:

He is completely concerned that any safety can get “bumped off” safe while carrying, and this makes them “unsafe”.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Its a troll thread. He pretty much says that in his first post.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I did carry multiple weapons (M4 and HK P2000) as a Border Patrol Agent for 9 years……through all sorts of terrain and situations, on the AZ/Mexico border.

The concept of carrying a firearm afield is certainly not new to me. You could argue that I have quite a bit of experience with this as it was a daily occurrence for me professionally.

I’m not claiming to be an expert hunter. It is definitely a stretch to dismiss my point of view based on inexperience with firearms or their field use.

I wouldn't make a topic about Formula One car design based on my experience driving a car to work every day for decades plus my imagination.

 

[bnewt3]

You guys discussing 2 position versus 3 position, unloading, etc. are missing what he is getting at:

He is completely concerned that any safety can get “bumped off” safe while carrying, and this makes them “unsafe”.

Not JUST that, but that in his judgement there are 4 "completely safe" actions in the world.

So im confused as to the point of the discussion.

Is it a warning to everyone?

Is he trying to convince us to stop using anything else?

Is he just wanting someone to say "you're right, we are all idiots"?

Is it just a troll post?

 

[goalie]

You guys discussing 2 position versus 3 position, unloading, etc. are missing what he is getting at:

He is completely concerned that any safety can get “bumped off” safe while carrying, and this makes them “unsafe”.

Yeah, I just realized that.

 

[longrangelead]

1 second... maybe behind your back upside-down with the off hand...

well. ya... I just didn't want to type all that...

 

[dårlig jeger]

Some of you need to evaluate your own safety.......because you're way too easily triggered!

 

[robtattoo]

Yea you cant just toss up a pic like that without an explanation.

A mixture of bad luck, tiredness & very poor judgement.

I'll try to shorthand it:

IR hog hunting in Texas. Driving around cramped in the backseat of a truck. Rifles all in condition 1 for very quick bailout shooting. Driver asked me to not carry muzzle up & insisted I move my gun. I asked him to stop the truck, he told me it'd be fine. We'd had a mandatory safety 'on' check before boarding the vehicle & I knew, 100% that my safety was on at that time. Window down, muzzle out of window, pull rifle back in & invert muzzle down, to rest on my boot.
After that, I'm not 100% sure exactly what happened. I personally think I caught the trigger on the organizer pouch he had hanging behind the drivers seat, but there's every chance I mistakenly put my hand/finger into the trigger guard. Whatever it was, the rifle fired & either on, or returning from recoil, double tapped.
Initially I thought I'd shot the driver, but I'd put 2 rounds straight between my big & first toe. Caught a little skin on both, lots of powder burns, a sock full of blood & a ruined pair of Muck boots (and undies & wranglers) but that was the extent of the damage.
The shock hit about 5 minutes later, the pain (and it wasn't insignificant) About 30 seconds after that. The very worst part of the entire effing debacle, is that I ruined a fantastic hunt for a group of guys who'd invited me along.
There are a few other pertinent details that I was unaware of at the time, that make this much worse, but I'd rather not go into them for reasons of self incrimination.

The kicker is that this was my 3rd (& technically 4th) time being shot.

The shame hurt far worse than the injuries.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

However, there are couple stories here about what can go wrong. One guys uncle literally lost his foot.

Rokslide: Only have a round in the chamber with the rifle in hand and under your direct control, otherwise unload it.

OP: Some guy's uncle lost a foot when an unattended loaded rifle fell over!

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

but that was the extent of the damage.

Did the bullets just go through the floorboard into the ground after that?

Not diminishing your injury/pants crapping.

 

[robtattoo]

Did the bullets just go through the floorboard into the ground after that?

Not diminishing your injury/pants crapping.

Yes, straight through the truck & into the road. My fear was that a ricochet had hit the driver. The way he yelled, you'd have believed it too. Luckily we were driving & the rounds went into soft tarmac.

 

[Steve300xcw]

A mixture of bad luck, tiredness & very poor judgement.

I'll try to shorthand it:

IR hog hunting in Texas. Driving around cramped in the backseat of a truck. Rifles all in condition 1 for very quick bailout shooting. Driver asked me to not carry muzzle up & insisted I move my gun. I asked him to stop the truck, he told me it'd be fine. We'd had a mandatory safety 'on' check before boarding the vehicle & I knew, 100% that my safety was on at that time. Window down, muzzle out of window, pull rifle back in & invert muzzle down, to rest on my boot.
After that, I'm not 100% sure exactly what happened. I personally think I caught the trigger on the organizer pouch he had hanging behind the drivers seat, but there's every chance I mistakenly put my hand/finger into the trigger guard. Whatever it was, the rifle fired & either on, or returning from recoil, double tapped.
Initially I thought I'd shot the driver, but I'd put 2 rounds straight between my big & first toe. Caught a little skin on both, lots of powder burns, a sock full of blood & a ruined pair of Muck boots (and undies & wranglers) but that was the extent of the damage.
The shock hit about 5 minutes later, the pain (and it wasn't insignificant) About 30 seconds after that. The very worst part of the entire effing debacle, is that I ruined a fantastic hunt for a group of guys who'd invited me along.
There are a few other pertinent details that I was unaware of at the time, that make this much worse, but I'd rather not go into them for reasons of self incrimination.

The kicker is that this was my 3rd (& technically 4th) time being shot.

The shame hurt far worse than the injuries.

Thats gnarly! You got lucky as shit!

Damn good thing you weren't running those TMK bullets

 

[Steve300xcw]

The way he yelled, you'd have believed it too.

You double tap a 308 in my back seat and I'm going to make some noise as well

 

[Kjc103]

Its a troll thread. He pretty much says that in his first post.

Nope, I’m sincerely wanting to switch to Tikka for various reasons.

The safety design, which is inferior to what I’m carrying, is the reason I don’t.

Being this particular forum, I knew any suggestion of Tikka decencies would cause plenty of folks to lose their mind. Thus the disclaimer.

 

[grfox92]

Thats gnarly! You got lucky as shit!

Damn good thing you weren't running those TMK bullets

TMK stands for Total Massacre Kings right?

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[Kjc103]

All of that are cognitive disconnects. Regardless of your background with a HK and M4 is- this is a nonsensical issue born out of lack of experience and understanding.
The T3 safety cannot fire unless you pull the trigger- regardless of the safety being “bumped off”.
The safety on your M4 can get bumped off. The safety on your shotgun can get bumped off. The safety on your M77 can be bumped off. The safety on every single gun ever made can be “bumped off”- even a Blaser “bumped” hard enough.

I see over 100,000 rounds a year fired from T3’s, 200+ days of field use a year with them, and hundreds of animals killed all nicer the country. Not one time has a safety been “bumped off”. The MRC isn’t any different- in reality M70 style wing safeties are more apt to get moved accidentally.

This is a completely contrived “issue”, that you have made a “thing”