Action Design For Hunting

[Thegman]

2. I have shot only five animals total. I screwed up a 6th opportunity on a cow. I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’m pulling from the experience I have had. Half of those shots were all from the off-hand. Meaning, they were relatively quick or split second scenarios. Having a safe way to carry a loaded round is important in my mind.

Sounds like you're fairly new to carrying rifles in the field while hunting (as were all were at one point or another).

IMO, the only way to carry a rifle with a chambered round is to also become OCD about very frequently checking the safety position (aside from the obvious need for muzzle control).

Relying on "nothing will happen with this particular safety design" isn't an acceptable substitute.

 

[Wprinkle]

so if the safety isn't safe...why carry with one in the chamber?
it takes 1 second to load a round...

1 second... maybe behind your back upside-down with the off hand...

 

[Kjc103]

What are you talking about?

The safety design.

 

[Kjc103]

Sounds like you're fairly new to carrying rifles in the field while hunting (as were all were at one point or another).

IMO, the only way to carry a rifle with a chambered round is to also become OCD about very frequently checking the safety position (aside from the obvious need for muzzle control).

Relying on "nothing will happen with this particular safety design" isn't an acceptable substitute.

I did carry multiple weapons (M4 and HK P2000) as a Border Patrol Agent for 9 years……through all sorts of terrain and situations, on the AZ/Mexico border.

The concept of carrying a firearm afield is certainly not new to me. You could argue that I have quite a bit of experience with this as it was a daily occurrence for me professionally. The fact is, there were a few guys that had negligent discharges with an M4. Fortunately, I never had that problem and no one was hurt. All occurred dropping the mag, thinking they cleared the round in the chamber, then pulling the trigger.

I’m not claiming to be an expert hunter. It is definitely a stretch to dismiss my point of view based on inexperience with firearms or their field use.

I very much like that I can cock, or de-cock a Blaser. I can look at it and tell exactly what the status of that rifle is visually and by feel. That, or an equivalent design, is what I want if I’m carrying the rifle loaded or expect a quick shot.

The simplicity and (likely) durability of the Tikka design over an R8 would win me over. The only issue is the safety design, along with all the practical implications that follow, is just better on the R8 or similar design.

 

[Formidilosus]

The safety design.

Ok- that still doesn’t answer the question. You are all over the map with what you are writing- what is your specific issue, and what is your concern- specifically?

 

[Thegman]

I did carry multiple weapons (M4 and HK P2000) as a Border Patrol Agent for 9 years……through all sorts of terrain and situations.

The concept of carrying a firearm afield is certainly not new to me.

So my comment should make sense to you, I'd think.

 

[robtattoo]

I'm just waiting for one of the AR hunters to chime in..

You'll hear nothing from me about AR safeties never accidentally getting bumped....



That was 2  150gr Hornadys from a Daniel Defense DDM V5 AR10. It happens.

I also have the luckiest left foot on the planet.

 

[grfox92]

You'll hear nothing from me about AR safeties never accidentally getting bumped....

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That was 2  150gr Hornadys from a Daniel Defense DDM V5 AR10. It happens.

I also have the luckiest left foot on the planet.

Wow.

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[Kjc103]

Ok- that still doesn’t answer the question. You are all over the map with what you are writing- what is your specific issue, and what is your concern- specifically?

The specific issue is:

Carrying the rifle with a round in the chamber.

I’m arguing that there are legitimate reasons one would need to do that.

I do not believe the Tikka design is secure enough for me to carry it with a round in the chamber.

I then point to two other designs that I feel are.

 

[Thegman]

You'll hear nothing from me about AR safeties never accidentally getting bumped....

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That was 2  150gr Hornadys from a Daniel Defense DDM V5 AR10. It happens.

I also have the luckiest left foot on the planet.

You are now officially the poster child for my above comment...

At least your muzzle control wasn't as bad as it could have been. Do you have a picture of the boots/shoes you were wearing?

 

[dårlig jeger]

 

[Formidilosus]

The specific issue is:

Carrying the rifle with a round in the chamber.

I’m arguing that there are legitimate reasons one would need to do that.

I do not believe the Tikka design is secure enough for me to carry it with a round in the chamber.

I then point to two other designs that I feel are.

What specific reasons do you believe the T3 isn’t “secure enough” to carry chambered?

 

[Kjc103]

What specific reasons do you believe the T3 isn’t “secure enough” to carry chambered?

The safety can get pumped, the gun will fire. However unlikely or rare, these things can and do happen.

I prefer the Blaser design (or Sauer), because the gun cannot go off if you engage the “safety”. Nor could it get bumped and disengaged. The rifle is completely inert when the hammer is de-cocked.

The problem with Blaser is they’re financially out of reach for a lot of guys. They’re also more complicated. I would switch to a Tikka platform but for the safety and I can frankly buy anything I want at this point in life.

I’m not being a boujee bitch. It’s really the design that is holding me back.

I’m going to pick up an MCR Marshall when they come out. If that 3 position design is as confidence inspiring as the M77, I’ll switch to that platform.

 

[Steve300xcw]

You'll hear nothing from me about AR safeties never accidentally getting bumped....

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That was 2  150gr Hornadys from a Daniel Defense DDM V5 AR10. It happens.

I also have the luckiest left foot on the planet.

Yea you cant just toss up a pic like that without an explanation.

 

[Wprinkle]

This is a game of "what if" not a rational topic with evidence thats supports the thesis.

There is a P320 thread on here if that is your interest..

 

[grfox92]

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Sgt. Norm Hooten.

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[grfox92]

This is a game of "what if" not a rational topic with evidence thats supports the thesis.

There is a P320 thread on here if that is your interest..

**My truck could have a blowout on the way to the unit for my late season cow tag, causing me to drive off the road and be killed. For that reason, I will not be going after a late season cow.**

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[bnewt3]

The specific issue is:

Carrying the rifle with a round in the chamber.

I’m arguing that there are legitimate reasons one would need to do that.

I do not believe the Tikka design is secure enough for me to carry it with a round in the chamber.

I then point to two other designs that I feel are.

Maybe im wrong, but it seems from my POV like you have 100% made up mind about this issue. So get one of your approved alternatives and keep rolling. What is the discussion about?

 

[Kjc103]

Maybe im wrong, but it seems from my POV like you have 100% made up mind about this issue. So get one of your approved alternatives and keep rolling. What is the discussion about?

Correct, I’m making an argument.

 

[Antares]

Somebody must be outta tags already.