6mm and .223/5.56 ILLEGAL for big game in Alaska!

[z987k]

Of course, if you really want to reduce wounding and loss of animals through regulatory action you'd want some kind of State mandated proficiency test and certification for anyone to shoot anything past, say, 300 yards? Even 300 might be too far.

What percentage of guys shooting their 300 win mags at animals past that range have any business doing so? Much bigger problem than .223 IMO. If you can't put 4 out of 5 in an 8" circle at range x, you shouldn't be shooting at range x regardless of the performance of the bullet.

Spend an afternoon at rabbit creek and you'd bring that inside 100 yards. Pie plate accuracy is the norm.
Put 5 in rapid succession anywhere on your 24x24 target out there at 100 and send it.

 

[wyosam]

Spend an afternoon at rabbit creek and you'd bring that inside 100 yards. Pie plate accuracy is the norm.
Put 5 in rapid succession anywhere on your 24x24 target out there at 100 and send it.

And pie plate 3/5 times is a “tack driver”. It’s fun watching people move their finger back and forth bullet hole to bullet hole across a giant target going “every one of those is a dead moose!” I especially like it when they are “adjusting their zero” during all this.


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[Bowfinn]

Spend an afternoon at rabbit creek and you'd bring that inside 100 yards. Pie plate accuracy is the norm.
Put 5 in rapid succession anywhere on your 24x24 target out there at 100 and send it.

This is true year round, but especially in August when a lot of magnums get dusted off for the year. I’d be curious what the average group size would be if everyone had to shoot a 10 round group.

 

[TREE ‘EM]

I see a lot of people on here who seem to be confusing shot placement, with killing power.

You can’t regulate shot placement and a poorly placed shot from a 458 Lott is just as ineffective as a poorly placed shot from a .22LR.

Before you go jumping on me about bringing up a .22LR, know that I’ve culled 300+ deer with one. I’ve also helped track a moose for a few miles which was shot with a 458 Lott.

I know a family who shares a .22 Hornet to subsistence hunt with. The old man bought it along with a Lee loading tool, because it was the cheapest way he could find to do what he needed to.

 

[wyosam]

The obvious better answer here is to ban FMJ bullets for hunting. .223 is not the problem (see bajillion page thread). Cheap 55gr FMJ projectiles are not great. If you MUST regulate something, that's the thing to regulate.

Unless you can figure out how to mandate a shooting proficiency test (I had to put 4 out of 5 muzzleloader rounds in an 8" inch circle at 50 yards in front of an ADFG rep to put in for muzzleloader tags, which seems reasonable? At least, the proficiency standard is reasonable. Wasn't easy to set up the test in SEAK.) And yes, that muzzleloader killed a moose just fine.

A scoped .223 with any reasonable hunting bullet is definitely more lethal than a muzzleloader with iron sights.

I don’t know about more lethal. It more circumstances and from further away (and with much less skill/effort), sure. But when used at reasonable distance, I’ve found my muzzleloader to hit elk much like a garbage truck, without much potential for “more lethal”.


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[jpengel]

That's been the case forever. It's the only rifle restriction Alaska has and might as well read at least 30-06 for bison.

My concern is this being used as a precedent to enact the proposal. The good idea fairies saying "we have a restriction on one animal, why not apply restrictions to others", regardless of how effective or enforceable it is.

 

[cowdisciple]

I don’t know about more lethal. It more circumstances and from further away (and with much less skill/effort), sure. But when used at reasonable distance, I’ve found my muzzleloader to hit elk much like a garbage truck, without much potential for “more lethal”

I was thinking "more lethal" in the sense that you have twice the effective range, a scope, and followup shots. Not trying to cast any aspersions on the terminal performance of a muzzleloader round - mine have also worked just fine to kill anything I've shot them at. Honestly the iron sights are the biggest limiter IMO. I'd shoot mine 100 yards further if I had a 6x scope on it that could dial the drop.

 

[walk2112]

I've worked in over 15 different rural communities in AK and lived in several as well. I've never once seen lost animals due to the cartridge used. I have seen lost animals due to people with shit ethics using beat to shit guns with a terrible zero and very poor marksmanship capabilities shooting like dog crap. Bullet construction and shot placement matter more than headstamps and the government f's up everything it gets in the middle of.

If I could like this twice I would, well put and accurate sir