6 ARC ammunition

[TimberHunter]

This is not the cartridge for a 600y shot on an elk.. Recommended minimum impact energy is 1500 ft-lbs, and while that's a suggestion... You really are going to want something close to that, or you're just going to wound the animal.

Sorry but 1500 ft lbs of energy is a made up requirements by the gun magazine writers. Research all the elk/deer/moose/etc being shot at 200-800 yards with a 223 and 77TMK. At the muzzle the 223 doesn’t even produce 1500lbs


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[wabash503]

Sorry but 1500 ft lbs of energy is a made up requirements by the gun magazine writers. Research all the elk/deer/moose/etc being shot at 200-800 yards with a 223 and 77TMK. At the muzzle the 223 doesn’t even produce 1500lbs


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It's published on CO Wildlife and Parks website... And while I said it's a suggestion, it's a pretty good one. I've seen a bull take 4 shots of .308 to the vitals with a 168 TTSX at 400y (1600 ft lbs on impact) and keep going.

A 6 ARC isnt going to get the job done at 600y, neither is a 223...not with any reliability. If it does at 600y, it's pure luck.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

It's published on CO Wildlife and Parks website... And while I said it's a suggestion, it's a pretty good one. I've seen a bull take 4 shots of .308 to the vitals with a 168 TTSX at 400y (1600 ft lbs on impact) and keep going.

A 6 ARC isnt going to get the job done at 600y, neither is a 223...not with any reliability. If it does at 600y, it's pure luck.

Your friends need to learn how to shoot.

Also you literally just illustrated that energy is irrelevant lol.

 

[wabash503]

Your friends need to learn how to shoot.

Also you literally just illustrated that energy is irrelevant lol.

The wound channel on that 308 is 3 times the size of the 223. That's what increased caliber & energy does on impact. Sounds like you donn't know much about that though. Probably why you think it's a good idea to shoot a pencil size hole in a 700+ lb animal...which is what a 77 TMK does below 1800 fps.

You sound like a real jackass... So you probably didn't even know that .223 is illegal for elk in quite a few states. So please, keep shooting it, so you can get arrested and have that PoS rifle of yours confiscated.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

The wound channel on that 308 is 3 times the size of the 223. That's what increased caliber & energy does on impact. Sounds like you donn't know much about that though. Probably why you think it's a good idea to shoot a pencil size hole in a 700+ lb animal...which is what a 77 TMK does below 1800 fps.

You sound like a real jackass... So you probably didn't even know that .223 is illegal for elk in quite a few states. So please, keep shooting it, so you can get arrested and have that PoS rifle of yours confiscated.

I guess you went to public school if you if you think .30 is three times the size of .224. take some remedial math classes and come back to us.

 

[wabash503]

I guess you went to public school if you if you think .30 is three times the size of .224.

The wound channel genius...and I did go to public school. WTF does that have to do with anything?

 

[HairyScandinavian]

The wound channel genius...and I did go to public school. WTF does that have to do with anything?

You referring to the wound channel that's larger from a TMK or M in pretty much any cartridge than your 308 TTSX? Too bad your friends can't shoot or you could've measured how small it was.

 

[wabash503]

The wound channel genius.

You referring to the wound channel that's larger from a TMK or M in pretty much any cartridge than your 308 TTSX? Too bad your friends can't shoot or you could've measured how small it was.

There's a saying... It's better to stay quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Try to remember that next time, so you don't leave another word salad like this one.

 

[Mtnmilsurp]

[mention]wabash503 [/mention] please tell us what happened when your friends shot elk with .223 and .243 TMKs and ELDMs.

 

[Forkasauras]

There's a saying... It's better to stay quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Try to remember that next time, so you don't leave another word salad like this one.

Wound channel from 22 cal eldm is 1.81 inches in gel. 375 H&H shooting coppers is 1.61 inches.

 

[Bluefish]

It's published on CO Wildlife and Parks website... And while I said it's a suggestion, it's a pretty good one. I've seen a bull take 4 shots of .308 to the vitals with a 168 TTSX at 400y (1600 ft lbs on impact) and keep going.

A 6 ARC isnt going to get the job done at 600y, neither is a 223...not with any reliability. If it does at 600y, it's pure luck.

While my 16” 6 arc might not reach out 600 yards, it will put a 108 eldm out 500 yards at over 1800 fps. I bet a longer barrel would easily take an elk at 600 yards. I can’t shoot that well, but the rifle is capable

 

[TimberHunter]

It's published on CO Wildlife and Parks website... And while I said it's a suggestion, it's a pretty good one. I've seen a bull take 4 shots of .308 to the vitals with a 168 TTSX at 400y (1600 ft lbs on impact) and keep going.

A 6 ARC isnt going to get the job done at 600y, neither is a 223...not with any reliability. If it does at 600y, it's pure luck.

And where did CO parks and wildlife get that info from… the know nothing gun “professional” writers

Like hairy said, you proved why impact ft lbs is irrelevant. If 1500 is the minimum, 1600 should’ve totally smoke em huh? Copper bullet in a 308 is an incredibly poor decision if one wants to actually quickly kill

I’ve personally shot a good number of elk myself and been a part of may other successful elk hunts. Most of which were shot 300-600 yards away, a few were about 100 yards. Most of those were with a 270win with 130SST, 150 partitions at the close shots and a 300WSM with 150 nosler BT. We were over gunned but shooting good, fragmenting bullets that resulted in decently fast kills. We got lucky back then and just happen to pick those bullets. However, the only one that got away was when a buddy was shooting a cow with a 338 win mag with some 200 grain bullet. Tracked for miles and never recovered

For a while now I have been shooting a 6.5cm with 147 ELDM/143 eldx and it works well. Considering going down to 243 with 108, even in the longer shots

Larger cartridges like 7mag,300mag, etc with the correct bullet type, are not bad. As long as it’s a good fragmenting bullet, some would agree it’s even better since it’s likely a larger bullet going faster (velocity dictates how a bullet fragments aka “mushroom”). But their down side is 99.9% of guys can’t shoot big magnums well and definitely can’t spot impacts/misses which can make follow shots a crap shoot if the first one missed and they didn’t see it


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[dsotm]

Fudds jsut can't help themselves

 

[Bluumoon]

There's a saying... It's better to stay quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Try to remember that next time, so you don't leave another word salad like this one.

They guys are being harsh, but are not wrong, what they are saying isn’t based on feeling or CPW reqs (lord help you if you faith in CPW anything) it’s based on actual data (measured in gel (correct gel) and demonstrated thousands of times on this website)

Solids create small wound channels=slower death.

Some and I do mean very specifically some match type bullet create much larger wound paths than would be expected.

Stick around and try to find the core threads w out popping off. Lots of good info on the site.

 

[Dave0317]

Something confusing you?

He is probably confused by your statement about foot pounds.
Foot pounds/energy alone is not a wounding/killing mechanism. At least not in the way you implied in your post.

Tissue disruption is what kills. Otherwise a bow hunter would never kill a thing.

Bullets of appropriate construction tend to cause significant destruction of tissue (even more than most bows!) as long as the bullet is still above 1800fps for most bullets, lower for some, much higher for others(like copper), depending on bullet construction.

Edit to add:
Somehow the last like 10 posts weren’t showing when I made this reply. Seems the point has been made multiple times now, lol.

 

[amassi]

It's published on CO Wildlife and Parks website... And while I said it's a suggestion, it's a pretty good one. I've seen a bull take 4 shots of .308 to the vitals with a 168 TTSX at 400y (1600 ft lbs on impact) and keep going.

A 6 ARC isnt going to get the job done at 600y, neither is a 223...not with any reliability. If it does at 600y, it's pure luck.

Terrible bullet choice
Those ttsx were likely caliber sized


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[Hnthrdr]

Something confusing you?

Just pondering why you are so certain that 6arc wouldn’t kill an elk, as long as the projectile is kept above the minimum recommended velocity to expand? and why you assume that impact energy must be 1500 ft/lbs or greater to kill a slab sided ungulate? A well placed, violently disrupting bullet, with more than adequate penetration > 14” will kill anything in North America… or at least that has been my experience. But bottom line, shoot what you shoot well, shoot what you shoot a lot, and shoot what makes ya happy