6.5 for elk

[Stache Attack]

So are you arguing mass of the bullet doesn’t matter? I don’t understand your point. You’re arguing a 55 grain 223 bullet will take out a bull elk as long as it’s going fast enough? I’m assuming you know how to calculate kinetic energy using and mass and velocity.

Read 223 and 6mm thread before arguing these points

500 easy energy on 6 creed shorty here

 

[TimberHunter]

I’ve never shot an elk with 6.5 but from what I understand, yes, but respect the round and its limitations for an ethical kill. I wouldn’t be doing any ELR with 6.5 creed. Within 300 yards is good, but some can go up 500+ yards and still maintain 1500ft*lbs energy especially at elevation such as in Colorado.

So 300 yards is good but 301 yards is bad?

I’d offer for you to talk to the last few elk I’ve shot at longer distances with a 6.5cm but they’re dead…


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[Chris_in_Idaho]

The velocity needs to be enough to deform/upset the bullet enough for a large wound channel. For the TMKs, ELDXs, ELDMs and similar bullets people are having so much success with, a safe minimum is 1800fps. It makes little difference if it's a 77 grain .224" or a 180 grain .284".

Think of it as a collision between the animal and the bullet. Better yet, imagine the bullet is stationary and the Elk is flying through the air at the bullet. Is the Elk going to hit the bullet with enough velocity to smash it into a big mushroom or sharp fragments? At 1800fps or more, likely yes. At under 1800fps, maybe not.

The mass, and therefore energy, of the bullet isn't really relevant.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Better yet, imagine the bullet is stationary and the Elk is flying through the air at the bullet. Is the Elk going to hit the bullet with enough velocity to smash it into a big mushroom or sharp fragments? At 1800fps or more, likely yes. At under 1800fps, maybe not.

I imagined it, man that was weird.

 

[The Guide]

I imagined it, man that was weird.

It is almost like the guy on the 6mm ARC for elk thread has a doppelganger...

Jay

 

[Stache Attack]

I’m still here waiting for you to fix my spelling errors. You must be a high school English teacher. I do also know the kinetic energy equation.

Do you have any data on your claims presented?

I have shot elk with a 22wm and 17hmr. They have died(would I recommend not unless close). 223 for me personally is too light, but on deer I have had good success. 6mm seems to be the sweet spot in my book for antelope, deer, and elk in my comfortable range.

 

[KurtR]

So are you arguing mass of the bullet doesn’t matter? I don’t understand your point. You’re arguing a 55 grain 223 bullet will take out a bull elk as long as it’s going fast enough? I’m assuming you know how to calculate kinetic energy using and mass and velocity.

Yep as long as it hits at a velocity with a properly constructed bullet to perform. I would personally go with the 77tmk vs any 55 right now as performance has been proven time and time again.

 

[mavinwa2]

Real 6.5 Creedmor experience...

Hunting with friend, we headed out before dawn with morning temps below freezing.
Had my frame-pack, optics. I tagged out 3 days earlier.
Dropped my bull with one shot at 350 yards with my trusty Browning-Belgium mfg'd 300 win mag.
Went along as hiking companion, spotter and mule too if needed .

3 hours into the morning, we spot a nice 4x3 bull. He gets rested and boom, a hit though a bit low. Bull runs out to 400 yards and boom, I saw impact just behind shoulder, a bit high. It staggered but kept on its hooves.

Told him to shoot again; "nah, it's done for..."
Bull went over the finger ridge line and BOOM!
Another hunter dropped it, tagged it.

He sold the 6.5 and his 7mm-08 and now hunts with a 300WM.

 

[bmart2622]

Yeah, non lethal hits with any cartridge dont lead to dead animals

 

[TimberHunter]

Real 6.5 Creedmor experience...

Hunting with friend, we headed out before dawn with morning temps below freezing.
Had my frame-pack, optics. I tagged out 3 days earlier.
Dropped my bull with one shot at 350 yards with my trusty Browning-Belgium mfg'd 300 win mag.
Went along as hiking companion, spotter and mule too if needed .

3 hours into the morning, we spot a nice 4x3 bull. He gets rested and boom, a hit though a bit low. Bull runs out to 400 yards and boom, I saw impact just behind shoulder, a bit high. It staggered but kept on its hooves.

Told him to shoot again; "nah, it's done for..."
Bull went over the finger ridge line and BOOM!
Another hunter dropped it, tagged it.

He sold the 6.5 and his 7mm-08 and now hunts with a 300WM.

While I can appreciate the story, only elk I’ve been around (a decent amount) that’s not been recovered was shot with a 338 win mag


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[JohnJohnson]

Real 6.5 Creedmor experience...

Hunting with friend, we headed out before dawn with morning temps below freezing.
Had my frame-pack, optics. I tagged out 3 days earlier.
Dropped my bull with one shot at 350 yards with my trusty Browning-Belgium mfg'd 300 win mag.
Went along as hiking companion, spotter and mule too if needed .

3 hours into the morning, we spot a nice 4x3 bull. He gets rested and boom, a hit though a bit low. Bull runs out to 400 yards and boom, I saw impact just behind shoulder, a bit high. It staggered but kept on its hooves.

Told him to shoot again; "nah, it's done for..."
Bull went over the finger ridge line and BOOM!
Another hunter dropped it, tagged it.

He sold the 6.5 and his 7mm-08 and now hunts with a 300WM.

A 300WM would have made those off target shots more accurate?

 

[Ultracarry]

My wife will be using a 6.5 this late season for elk … I hope no-one tells her it won’t kill anything . Might make her turn her AZ bull tag in .

 

[HairyScandinavian]

A 300WM would have made those off target shots more accurate?

Blow that brisket right off and bleed out with all that wallop.

 

[pattimusprime22]

My elk died today just fine from a 143 eldx. Went maybe 5 yards and tipped over

 

[SwiftShot]

Blow that brisket right off and bleed out with all that wallop.

I kill them every year with skinny little arrow going really slow.

 

[HunterGatherer]

I kill them every year with skinny little arrow going really slow.

I sharpen my bullets into mini-broadheads, best of both worlds

 

[twil]

what factory load for elk is preferred?

 

[Hnthrdr]

what factory load for elk is preferred?

140/147 eld-m, 143 eld-X, 130 tmk…

 

[Kimber7man]

Death by 6.5 (PRC and 147 gr ELD-M factory round):

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Love this pic, congrats to her!

 

[fmyth]

what factory load for elk is preferred?

My 18" 6.5C has killed 5 elk with factory 143ELDX. All 1 shot kills between 300-400yds.