500 dollar scope that dials elevation

[Formidilosus]

That’s where I have issues with mils. Am very used to a 1-2 moa hash, no thinking needed for that part. One less conversion I guess. I use mine for hunting and I know if there was time pressure, my chance for error goes up exponentially unless I stick to what I’ve used for years. If I was ringing steel, would not bother me to have charts or use an app, but not always time when hunting. I’ll probably wait for a moa scope for the rifle I thinking of.

So on an animal, without a wind meter and a chart, how do you make a wind call on the fly?

 

[Tmac]

So on an animal, without a wind meter and a chart, how do you make a wind call on the fly?

If you practice enough in an area you are familiar with, vegetation, mirage, etc. can give you an idea about wind. Verify it with a meter while scouting. Know your parameters and don’t exceed them. Similar to ranging landmarks in a area I expect to see game in, I may know that bush is 325 from my spot. I won’t shoot in questionable wind, but know some indicators well enough and my load well enough I can make a call in moderate wind to moderate ranges, as you say on the fly, I say with experience and practice. I am more likely to stalk towards a zero value wind position for a shot than hold much wind, or come back another day. It’s just how I do things, so many years building memory, so I think I’ll avoid mils for now.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

it too hard brother.

throwing out some of the most useful scopes out there because you are reluctant to learn a new skillset is your prerogative.

but I fear ur throwing out the baby with the bath water.

read up on Form’s wind bracket methodology. Might take a bit for it to sink in. Flick him a pm or myself if it’s not making sense.

simple and ez.

It’s called subitizing but the basic context is that the formula or “equation” is so ez ur not doing math. Even under duress.

 

[Formidilosus]

If you practice enough in an area you are familiar with, vegetation, mirage, etc. can give you an idea about wind. Verify it with a meter while scouting. Know your parameters and don’t exceed them. Similar to ranging landmarks in a area I expect to see game in, I may know that bush is 325 from my spot.

If you won’t shoot when there is wind, ok.

But if there is wind, and you are going to shoot- how do you determine how much to hold off without a chart or ballistic app?

 

[Tmac]

If you won’t shoot when there is wind, ok.

But if there is wind, and you are going to shoot- how do you determine how much to hold off without a chart or ballistic app?

Small chart on scope if I don’t have it memorized. If outside that, I get closer, or try another day. When hunting I don’t shoot very long range, in very high winds or much past 300, unless it’s perfect. So my wind holds are very small. I do practice to 600, but try to avoid hunting shots past 350 ish, but have taken some over 400. Just me I guess. I’m gonna stick to what I know, avoid much wind and keep ranges fairly moderate for the most part.

 

[Bater]

Why not make the wind hold chart in mils?

Go for it, inches are easier for me (kinda why I said it’s subjective).

 

[Formidilosus]

Far be it for me to try and convince you, but you are tripping over dollars to pick up pennies. Mils is EASY to grasp. Like stupid easy.


If you’re not holding wind, then elevation is nothing but a number on a piece of paper. One can dial 1.2 mils as easy as they can dial 4.25 minutes. Except that splitting ranges and knowing what the drop will be is far more intuitive when dealing in mils than MOA.

 

[Formidilosus]

Go for it, inches are easier for me (kinda why I said it’s subjective).

But it’s not subjective.

How do you make a wind call- that is amount of wind to hold in the field- on an animal without a chart or app?

 

[Bater]

How do you hold 15” at 500 yards?

If you can’t hold 15” on an animal @ 500yds take up another hobby. It’s more difficult on rocks but easy on known objects as in deer/elk.

 

[Bater]

But it’s not subjective.

How do you make a wind call- that is amount of wind to hold in the field- on an animal without a chart or app?

I don’t have the luxury of an app in the backcountry, some of us don’t sit on ranges...we hunt.
I love mils and they are my preferred method of elevation correction. I estimate wind based off at 10 mph base and hold accordingly in inches...could do the same in mils and may explore that at some point.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

If you can’t hold 15” on an animal @ 500yds take up another hobby. It’s more difficult on rocks but easy on known objects as in deer/elk.

show me 15”

 

[Formidilosus]

I don’t have the luxury of an app in the backcountry, some of us don’t sit on ranges...we hunt.

I guess one day when I go hunting I’ll know what the backcountry is.



So you remember the 10 mph drift at all ranges, in inches, for ever how many rifles you? What’s your process for quartering winds?

 

[Bater]

I guess one day when I go hunting I’ll know what the backcountry is.



So you remember the 10 mph drift at all ranges, in inches, for ever how many rifles you? What’s your process for quartering winds?

Half, but curious why you care so much about MY method

 

[Formidilosus]

Half, but curious why you care so much about MY method

I was hoping to learn a better way to make winds holds. If someone is ignoring the tape measure 3” from their eye, they might know something unique.

So you do, or do not remember all of your rifles drift in inches, at all ranges, in variable winds, in a 10 mph base...?

 

[Bater]

I was hoping to learn a better way to make winds holds. If someone is ignoring the tape measure 3” from their eye, they might know something unique.

So you do, or do not remember all of your rifles drift in inches, at all ranges, in variable winds, in a 10 mph base...?

Dope chart taped to every rifle stock tells me, just as you mil method would tell you on you stock...or app...or range computer. And the mil/moa method makes a bunch of sense too, no argument there. I can just think in plane inches a bit quicker in hunting situations over 20yrs and 60+ animals...again just me

 

[Ndbowhunter]

Dope chart taped to every rifle stock tells me, just as you mil method would tell you on you stock...or app...or range computer. And the mil/moa method makes a bunch of sense too, no argument there. I can just think in plane inches a bit quicker in hunting situations over 20yrs and 60+ animals...again just me

im not gonna lie I like arguing. But..

Is 60 a lot? You quote that like it’s supposed to hold value.

 

[Bater]

im not gonna lie I like arguing. But..

Is 60 a lot? You quote that like it’s supposed to hold value.

Are you just trying to pick a fight?

 

[Ndbowhunter]

Not exactly

My super good mate that has shot animals in the thousands that recently (last fall) came to America and I put him on a bushnell lrhsi 4.5-18 mil scope and taught the dog new trick and he’s frickin hooked.

He was a weaver grand slam 3-15 with a bdc turret and hold off in inches guy and that dude has shot so many critters with that thing it wasn’t even funnyZ between his property and the neighbours it’s nearly a full time job keeping ungulate numbers under control. He’ll shoot 50 animals in a day like nothing.

he was a bit reluctant but after an afternoon on my favourite prairie dog town he was hooked. It’s windy in nodak and having a ruler is so crucial when you miss shots.

he ended up running a swfa 3-9, dropped 9 animals with it over a month. Thing never left 6x the entire trip. Unfortunatley we couldn’t secure a 6x for him in time before departure. Wish we could have, be nice to have a friendly mil quad 6x on my missions from now on and avoid customs bs with rifles.

 

[Bater]

Not exactly

My super good mate that has shot animals in the thousands that recently (last fall) came to America and I put him on a bushnell lrhsi 4.5-18 mil scope and taught the dog new trick and he’s frickin hooked.

He was a weaver grand slam 3-15 with a bdc turret and hold off in inches guy and that dude has shot so many critters with that thing it wasn’t even funnyZ between his property and the neighbours it’s nearly a full time job keeping ungulate numbers under control. He’ll shoot 50 animals in a day like nothing.

he was a bit reluctant but after an afternoon on my favourite prairie dog town he was hooked. It’s windy in nodak and having a ruler is so crucial when you miss shots.

he ended up running a swfa 3-9, dropped 9 animals with it over a month. Thing never left 6x the entire trip. Unfortunatley we couldn’t secure a 6x for him in time before departure. Wish we could have, be nice to have a friendly mil quad 6x on my missions from now on and avoid customs bs with rifles.

Congrats to your mate I guess? Comparing western hunts to cull hunts is cute...

 

[Ndbowhunter]

Yeah that fvckers got it good

sometimes I get a wee bit high on the horse thinking my couple hundred ungulates and few thousand rounds a year is something.

Shooting with some paid professionals yesterday afternoon. When ur issues a full auto rifle it’s pretty funny to think 100 rounds of popped primers for me on a bolt fun feels like a good number . That’s 3 mags in about 18 seconds for them.

Getting heavy into chamois hunting was for me the steepest learning curve in regards to dropping critters. And methodology of shootingThey are small targets with keen eyesight and shots are earned in chunks of 1000 meters at a time. Especially if ur after 10” ones. Still haven’t got one. But should have.

If what ur doing works, run it.

iron sights and muskets balls were plenty effective way back when. I couldn’t hold the jockstrap from meat market hunters from bygone era’s.