50 yard group

[Wheels]

I shoot 12 arrows a day(once I’ve determined that I’ve drawn a tag somewhere out west), and I personally hold myself to the 1” per 10yd rule or I’m not happy. Granted, this is after I’ve made sure my bow is shooting where it’s supposed to. Don’t even bother shooting at 20 or 30 yds, go 40-70 yds, it’ll make you a much better shooter. Margin for error is less and the closer shots are easy if your firm is good.

 

[RosinBag]

I shoot 12 arrows a day(once I’ve determined that I’ve drawn a tag somewhere out west), and I personally hold myself to the 1” per 10yd rule or I’m not happy. Granted, this is after I’ve made sure my bow is shooting where it’s supposed to. Don’t even bother shooting at 20 or 30 yds, go 40-70 yds, it’ll make you a much better shooter. Margin for error is less and the closer shots are easy if your firm is good.

Just 12 arrows a day. Are you ever happy with your shooting?

 

[Wheels]

Every day is different. For most days, I’m feeling pretty confident. As the season gets closer, I’ll shoot more, but right now, 12 arrows daily keeps me going.

 

[Gumbo]

I shoot 12 arrows a day(once I’ve determined that I’ve drawn a tag somewhere out west), and I personally hold myself to the 1” per 10yd rule or I’m not happy. Granted, this is after I’ve made sure my bow is shooting where it’s supposed to. Don’t even bother shooting at 20 or 30 yds, go 40-70 yds, it’ll make you a much better shooter. Margin for error is less and the closer shots are easy if your firm is good.

I agree. Sometimes I think that the best practice is a LITTLE daily practice, just a few arrows. Once my bow is tuned and I'm shooting well I don't want to shoot TOO much. My first arrows are usually the best and if I overshoot I tend to get tired and shoot more poorly which leads to a vicious circle from which I have a hard time escaping. And I agree that I'm not happy unless I'm MOA, and I practice mostly at 70 yards from a kneeling position. But I shoot all year to keep sharp, and am constantly trying to improve my shooting and tuning. And I only commit to this after I am in the vincinty of MOA shooting and I'm a month or less out from season. The other thing I like to do is shoot my local 3D course with no warm-up and no mulligans. Just shoot one arrow for each target, and usually from my knees. And in reality, it is almost always only the first arrow that matters, if you need a few shots to get "warmed up" you will probably have issues when it comes time to kill.

 

[Planopurist]

Funny you say that five miles back because my 40 is usually worse than my 50 and 60 and I can't make heads or tails of it. I'm guessing maybe I'm off mentally sometimes because I think it's easier

For me, it’s definitely more comfortable to hold the bow at the angle required for a 50 yard trajectory than the 40. I’m just more relaxed and solid at that angle.


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[Planopurist]

Just 12 arrows a day. Are you ever happy with your shooting?

If those are 12 quality shots, it will work.


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[5MilesBack]

I get bored very quickly if I'm not changing things up and constantly moving, that's why I never shoot indoor or any other monotonous paper punching targets. Even outdoors I rarely shoot more than a couple arrows at a specific distance or target spot. I spend more time looking for small openings I can shoot through or how close I can shoot past a tree and still hit the kill zone on a 3D target. At home I shoot the 2" gaps between my wife's planters and patio stanchions on the way to the bullseye. Groups are all fine and dandy (but again.....monotonous), but overall consistency at whatever distance I'm shooting is more important to me.

 

[Gumbo]

I get bored very quickly if I'm not changing things up and constantly moving, that's why I never shoot indoor or any other monotonous paper punching targets. Even outdoors I rarely shoot more than a couple arrows at a specific distance or target spot. I spend more time looking for small openings I can shoot through or how close I can shoot past a tree and still hit the kill zone on a 3D target. At home I shoot the 2" gaps between my wife's planters and patio stanchions on the way to the bullseye. Groups are all fine and dandy (but again.....monotonous), but overall consistency at whatever distance I'm shooting is more important to me.

That sounds like pretty effective practice for hunting, I bet that about any shot looks wide open after threading the needle like that. Kind f like shooting 20 yards after practicing 70 all summer.

 

[5MilesBack]

That sounds like pretty effective practice for hunting, I bet that about any shot looks wide open after threading the needle like that. Kind f like shooting 20 yards after practicing 70 all summer.

It forces you to concentrate and make sure your bubble is in the middle on every shot, and that your form is consistent regardless of stance, terrain, etc. I also often run the 3D and field courses when shooting if I'm the only one out there.

 

[Gumbo]

^^^^^ That's how to practice...except the running for me. I feel for the guy who shoots standing, flat shots at even distances all year without a loaded quiver on their bow. Practice like you will be shooting in the field!

 

[DanZ]

More important than your average group size at a given distance is your worst group size at a given distance.

2 ways to improve an archery score -- #1 shrink your group size and #2 eliminate flyers.

Most people would see the most improvement both in score and in hunting if they focused on eliminating the outliers.

What is causing that bad arrow and what can I do to eliminate it from creeping back in to my sessions.

 

[5MilesBack]

Practice like you will be shooting in the field!

I shoot 3D tourneys the same way I hunt (pack, bow quiver, gloves). But with the slow pace, my mind really wanders, and I over-analyze yardages usually to my detriment.

 

[MattB]

The ten ring on a Vegas target is 1.575 inches, shot at 20 yards. . . . . Do you shoot a 300 round every time you shoot?

1” per 10 yards is elite. Especially at longer distances.


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1.575" is less than 2" which is the cited standard at 20 yards, so not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[fatlander]

1.575" is less than 2" which is the cited standard at 20 yards, so not sure what point you are trying to make.

Shoot at that 1.575” 10 ring with a fat target shaft that’s ~.400” in diameter and you’re left with 0.025” unaccounted for, really only 0.01275” in either direction of center unaccounted for. 0.01275” is slightly more than 1/80th of an inch. . . . That’s the point I’m making.

If 1” per 10 yards is really the standard for the common man’s WORST groups, everyone would shoot 300s all day long every day.


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[jmez]

Levi Morgan and crew are just lucky that so fee are interested in target archery.

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[5MilesBack]

If 1” per 10 yards is really the standard for the common man’s WORST groups, everyone would shoot 300s all day long every day.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that their worst groups were 1" per 10 yards, even on AT. Seems that "most" claim that their best groups fall into that category, or at least that's what they strive for, and then the internet crowd goes crazy with world record talk. LOL.

 

[fatlander]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that their worst groups were 1" per 10 yards, even on AT. Seems that "most" claim that their best groups fall into that category, or at least that's what they strive for, and then the internet crowd goes crazy with world record talk. LOL.

The OP asked about “acceptable groups”. To me, that means worst. Cherry picking your best group does nothing but stroke your own ego and make you think you’re better than you are.

Whether hunting or shooting a competition, you’re only as good as your worst arrow. The guys that tout 1” per 10 yards as the “standard” for average shooters are crazy.

We all hit the X a lot, it’s the misses that matter.




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[5MilesBack]

The OP asked about “acceptable groups”. To me, that means worst.

So you're saying your worst groups are "acceptable" to you?

Mine aren't. I would characterize shooting into 4 categories........."worst, bad, acceptable, and best". I know what is acceptable or better for me, and if I wasn't achieving that most every time I shot........I wouldn't be shooting much. If my "worst" or even "bad" encompassed even 10% of my shooting......I'd be playing more golf instead. I've got better things to do than frustrate myself to no end. I don't like doing activities I'm not good at.

Maybe there's a reason why most bowhunters only pick up their bow 2 weeks before the season starts........because shooting 10" groups or not hitting where you're aiming isn't all that much fun.

 

[KHNC]

thanks Dale ^^^

HAHA! This has to be an AT reference.

 

[GMC]

KHNC I thought the exact same thing!!!! Classic post! Glad my phone is water proof cause I was drinking a glass of milk as I read it!