3:1 Haul Ratio for hanging meat in the Backcountry

[Mikido]

My post above shows results from
Trying the pynch pulley, which I found to
Have way too much friction.

Below are results showing the harken 16mm. Clearly the better choice. A true 4:1 ratio, and imo worth the extra 1.5 oz.

Pack of 4 pynch pulley is $65.
Pack of (2) double block Harken is $80.

Pynch Pully
Dead weight- 34lb
Force lift- 38bs
1 pulley- 55lbs
2 pulley- 33 lbs
3 pulley-29 lbs
4 pulley- 26 lbs

Harken
Dead weight- 34lb
Force lift- 38 lbs
1 pulley- 38 lbs
2 pulley- 20 lbs
3 pulley-13 lbs
4 pulley- 10 lbs

 

[Andouille]

I went with a UL ronstand pulley, the reports of added friction and trouble with small cordage made me hesitant to get the pinch pulleys. I haven’t had much a need to use the ronstands yet but they are very lightweight and roll extremely smoothly with any cordage I have used. I think I saw someone else here recommend them a while back.

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Ronstan 20 series are amazing. Superlight and rated for 900 lbs. Well superior to the Wiser pulleys in terms of friction loss. They are very small and are about 10 grams each. I've used them with 3mm dyneema line to haul a big bull moose's front leg to the side to facilitate opening up the chest cavity. Took two guys to hold the leg up and out of the way before we rigged a 3-1 rope and pulley system.

 

[UnckleBob]

I understand how pulleys work, but I am not sure how you get the rigging up in the tree or trees?

 

[Poser]

I understand how pulleys work, but I am not sure how you get the rigging up in the tree or trees?

Super delayed response -sorry about that. I get the rigging up in the trees using a throw bag -same way you would put up a PCT style food hang: Put a rock in a bag attached to the cord and toss it over a limb.

 

[hibernation]

When it comes to properly securing meat in the backcountry, I find most hunter attitudes to be rather cavalier, usually along the lines of "I don't hang my meat in a predator proof manner and I've never had a problem."

Lost a tenderloin overnight to I'm assuming a weasel. First time I've had an issue, hanging off a meat pole in camp, not far off the ground and apparently close enough to the trees on the side. Chewed a neat little hole in the game bag and ran off with the whole thing.

 

[bowhunthard88]

MTS Run & Gun Ultralight Hoist

Ultra lightweight hoist for remote back country game processing. No more dragging your deer off the mountain or quartering on the ground. This simple lightweight hoist system allows you to hang you…

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[WhoGarrDen]

MTS Run & Gun Ultralight Hoist

Ultra lightweight hoist for remote back country game processing. No more dragging your deer off the mountain or quartering on the ground. This simple lightweight hoist system allows you to hang you…

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I've seen these a few times and they're out of stock each time I look. Have they been out of stock, or have I just missed them when they're in stock? I don't see a "notify me" option.

 

[bowhunthard88]

I've seen these a few times and they're out of stock each time I look. Have they been out of stock, or have I just missed them when they're in stock? I don't see a "notify me" option.

I would email! Their CS is really good. I bought the set, originally for whitetails.

 

[evergreenfrenzy]

My post above shows results from
Trying the pynch pulley, which I found to
Have way too much friction.

Below are results showing the harken 16mm. Clearly the better choice. A true 4:1 ratio, and imo worth the extra 1.5 oz.

Pack of 4 pynch pulley is $65.
Pack of (2) double block Harken is $80.

Pynch Pully
Dead weight- 34lb
Force lift- 38bs
1 pulley- 55lbs
2 pulley- 33 lbs
3 pulley-29 lbs
4 pulley- 26 lbs

Harken
Dead weight- 34lb
Force lift- 38 lbs
1 pulley- 38 lbs
2 pulley- 20 lbs
3 pulley-13 lbs
4 pulley- 10 lbs

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I'm curious if you're still using this setup? I have some Lawson Ultraglide 2.3mm line already and have been considering the Pynch Pulleys but was concerned about friction based on some things I heard as well. Do you use the 2.3mm Ultraglide with the Harkens?

 

[Mikido]

I'm curious if you're still using this setup? I have some Lawson Ultraglide 2.3mm line already and have been considering the Pynch Pulleys but was concerned about friction based on some things I heard as well. Do you use the 2.3mm Ultraglide with the Harkens?

Yes I use the 2.3mm “bear line”. Harkens work great, the Rostand work the same (a touch lighter, and a touch more expensive).

Def don’t use the pynch pulley.

 

[JLH208]

Check out Cervara gear. Buddy of mine just came up with an 8:1 system that weighs around 12oz I was the first to test in the field. It worked pretty well, hung 2 elk quarters and a bag of loose meat solo


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[Chris in TN]

I wrestled with bringing small pulleys this fall. Right now they're in the car bag, not the backpack or the kill kit.

I use smaller pulleys around the barn all the time. I have a multiplied winch setup for hanging deer to skin/cool/debone, I use pulleys to hang various heavy things in the barn (heavier than I can lift, but smaller than my barn trusses can support, which actually covers a fairly wide spectrum of winter projects I might end up hanging up).

We even used pulleys and paracord to hang an elk head in the barn. Hung the top pulleys from the barn trusses directly over where we wanted the mount to attach to the wall, I got on a ladder and sort of guided it into place while my daughter pulled on the other end of the rope (tied around a stick so as to avoid rope-burning her hands). She lifted it up just higher than it needed to be, then I pushed it into place and she eased it down onto the anchor bolt in the wall. With the pulley system she had to walk back 25' feet or so, to get the head into position.

So, technically, I have hung an elk using pulleys.

 

[MainEventCory]

I guess I never considered cutting weight with my tiny pulleys I've used for years. I think for the "average joe" these aren't great. But if you truly are going ultra light, I guess this is the ticket.

 

[Poser]

Used this system once again. Simple in theory, a bit more complex when applied in the field, but my partner managed to get this hang up by himself in just about an hour while I started the processing job. We got the meat hung 12 feet off the ground, took a load with us and didn’t return for well over 48 hours when the Calvary, in the form of Justin Spicher, showed up for a 10 hour pack out. I wasn’t the least bit concerned about any predators getting to our meat.

It did take 2 of us to hoist but one person could easily lower the meat by himself.

The Z design of the ropes makes it appear a bit more complex in design than it is. Those are just tied off in a “Z” fashion for opposing forces to keep the ropes situated when under load.

 

[BCsteve]

Used this system once again. Simple in theory, a bit more complex when applied in the field, but my partner managed to get this hang up by himself in just about an hour while I started the processing job. We got the meat hung 12 feet off the ground, took a load with us and didn’t return for well over 48 hours when the Calvary, in the form of Justin Spicher, showed up for a 10 hour pack out. I wasn’t the least bit concerned about any predators getting to our meat.

It did take 2 of us to hoist but one person could easily lower the meat by himself.

The Z design of the ropes makes it appear a bit more complex in design than it is. Those are just tied off in a “Z” fashion for opposing forces to keep the ropes situated when under load.

"Simple in theory"!?!? It looks like Spiderman was in your camp!

 

[Poser]

"Simple in theory"!?!? It looks like Spiderman was in your camp!

All you need is a hunting partner with an engineering degree and an accurate throwing arm.

 

[Ishootgunssometimes]

After losing meat before, we got our whole elk up in a tree without problems using 3 or 4 carabiners. No issue with friction. I used skinny paracord and the BlackDiamond Oz carabiners.

 

[Poser]

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After losing meat before, we got our whole elk up in a tree without problems using 3 or 4 carabiners. No issue with friction. I used skinny paracord and the BlackDiamond Oz carabiners.

How exactly do you expect that will keep a bear off your meat? Might as well lay it on the ground, it would be just as bear proof.

 

[Ishootgunssometimes]

How exactly do you expect that will keep a bear off your meat? Might as well lay it on the ground, it would be just as bear proof.

Well I lost meat last time and not this time. No black bears here. Brown bears don’t climb as easily.