2nd Rifle

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Looking to get a second rifle, I have a howa superlite in 7mm-08 that I really like and use for deer and pretty much anything deer sized like antelope and sheep. I know I can hunt anything with it using good bullets but I’m looking to get a new rifle. I want something a little bigger that could handle elk or even some bigger African plains game. I don’t think I want a magnum like 300wm or 300prc. Is the 6.5prc, 308, 30-06 and cartridges similar to those too close to 7mm-08 that it’d be pointless and that I should look to a magnum like 7 rem mag or 7mm prc. I’ve looked at ballistic charts but I want peoples real experience opinions.
 
The 7-08 is such a middle of the road cartridge I feel like you need to jump to a magnum to really separate from what it is capable of. Some of that will depend on how far you expect to shoot. Inside 5-600 yards with a 150 ELDX the 7mm-08 is plenty for anything. A 6.5PRC will give you more distance but is not that different in moderate ranges. The 7PRC gives you the option for heavier bullets and distance that I think separates more from the 7-08 than the 6.5PRC.

I would be more inclined to go smaller on your next rifle. Something cheap and easy to shoot will get you shooting more.
 
Looking to get a second rifle, I have a howa superlite in 7mm-08 that I really like and use for deer and pretty much anything deer sized like antelope and sheep. I know I can hunt anything with it using good bullets but I’m looking to get a new rifle. I want something a little bigger that could handle elk or even some bigger African plains game. I don’t think I want a magnum like 300wm or 300prc. Is the 6.5prc, 308, 30-06 and cartridges similar to those too close to 7mm-08 that it’d be pointless and that I should look to a magnum like 7 rem mag or 7mm prc. I’ve looked at ballistic charts but I want peoples real experience opinions.
I tend to think about this type of question as if there is a big gun rack in the garage with every cartridge, ammo in every bullet weight, and I can pick anything to go shooting or hunt _____. Whatever gives me the most warm and fuzzy feelings is the correct answer.

Just a bigger hole in the barrel is fun, so I can see the appeal of 308 or 30-06. Something like a 180 gr or heavier bullet starts to cut into the 308 powder capacity, but the 30-06 does well with heavier bullets. As a pure setup for larger than deer I’d pick a 30-06 over the 7mm08 most days, but if a rancher friend invites you over to shoot a cow elk off his haystack, sort of a fish in a barrel kind of situation, I’d probably take the smaller gun.

6.5 PRC is cool - it’s a fun shape and shoots pretty flat. If you just think it’s interesting nothing wrong grabbing it off the rack, if it’s more deadly than the 7mm08 or not. Same for the 270 win, a 280ai, 25-06, 7 mag, or anything else.

Since you have some 7mm experience on game, it helps to frame the 7 mags in terms of what you already know. When you’ve shot an animal with the 7mm08, the 7 mag would do the exact same thing with same velocity in the same bullet 250 yards further down range, no more and no less.

You can’t make a bad decision, so I’d grab what sounds interesting.
 
The 7-08 is such a middle of the road cartridge I feel like you need to jump to a magnum to really separate from what it is capable of. Some of that will depend on how far you expect to shoot. Inside 5-600 yards with a 150 ELDX the 7mm-08 is plenty for anything. A 6.5PRC will give you more distance but is not that different in moderate ranges. The 7PRC gives you the option for heavier bullets and distance that I think separates more from the 7-08 than the 6.5PRC.

I would be more inclined to go smaller on your next rifle. Something cheap and easy to shoot will get you shooting more.
The 7-08 is such a middle of the road cartridge I feel like you need to jump to a magnum to really separate from what it is capable of. Some of that will depend on how far you expect to shoot. Inside 5-600 yards with a 150 ELDX the 7mm-08 is plenty for anything. A 6.5PRC will give you more distance but is not that different in moderate ranges. The 7PRC gives you the option for heavier bullets and distance that I think separates more from the 7-08 than the 6.5PRC.

I would be more inclined to go smaller on your next rifle. Something cheap and easy to shoot will get you shooting more.
500 would be the furthest and even that I prefer 400-450. Furthest shot I’ve taken so far has been 320yds. I have thought about going smaller too like a 6creed or 25-06 or the 22arc so I’ll be able to go to the range more without blowing my wallet.
 
I'd 100% go .223

I've already gone from larger than 7mm-08 to smaller than 7mm-08 for my do-everything, at all ranges, deer/elk/bear rifle. If you use good bullets, there is zero reason to go larger, unless you're shooting many hundreds, preferably into the thousands of practice rounds per year.

For me, the only way I can afford do that is with a .223 in the stable.

Hornady precision hunter retains good velocity out past 800 yards (depending on elevation). I've seen a lot of guys who can hit 800 yard targets at their home range, but make it vital size and new terrain/wind/ranging error/field position/all the stuff, and the number who can reliably make that first round hit without thousands of practice rounds per year is essentially zero.

To take advantage of increased capability above a 7mm-08, you need LOTS of practice. .223 is the best way to get that.
 
With what you have, and not wanting a magnum, smaller is definitely the way to go. Fast twist 223 or 22arc. 25-06 for old school cool.
 
Your hunting rifle will do everything that you ask of it in the near future, and possibly well beyond.
If I was buying a new rifle today, and particularly if I wasn’t a hand loader, there is no doubt that it would be a 22 ARC
 
Personally for me I think you have pretty much a hell of a round with the 7mm-08.
If I were in your shoes....and this is just me. I would be looking at a 6CM.

There is a pile of info here as well as days worth of reading on smaller calibers taking large game.
Take a look at the 6UM thread. I think that is where Ryan has his video of his hunt in Africa taking a Giraffe with his 6UM...that's a 6mm bullet.

Personally for me I prefer to go smaller than bigger as I tend to shoot them better. As will most people. A 300 WM is a good round, But most I have seen that are normal type people dont shoot them well.
My family has a few and are pretty good shooters and they do not shoot the Mag any better than something smaller, almost the exact opposite
 
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