264 shooters?

[elkeaterco]

Was curious who shoots one and how it preforms? The new Nosler 6.5, 142 accubond LR bullets has a BC of .719, it would be a pretty nasty flat shooting SOB. It's might be a bit light for elk but velocity kills and it would hold it's energy for a long ways. I mostly hunt elk with ranges out to 600 yards.

Food for thought?

Thanks

Jake

 

[rayporter]

i am thinking.......color me curious

to say "game changer" would be an understatement

 

[jwages]

264 is a good round as far as fast and flat goes, but its a barrel burner, if you shoot a lot I would take that into consideration the barrel life on the 264. I have a few friends that have taken some nice bulls with a 6.5x47 and one friend that's taken a sheep in AK. I looked pretty hard into the 264 round a friend of mine that's a gunsmith swayed me toward a long action 284 Winchester.

 

[BackcountryMT]

Are you asking about .264" rounds in general or the 264 win? The one thing to remember on a lot 6.5mm rounds is that barrel life can become an issue. If your looking for an all around caliber, including elk, out to 600 yards +/- I would look at something bigger.

If your looking for a good sub 400 yard gun for deer or elk in the 6.5 variety I would go for a 6.5 creedmore. Basically the 7-08's little brother with better BC's.

 

[Cahunter805]

The 264win is a good caliber choice. Keep your loads safe and don't string to many shots in a row and you will be fine. The 142 accubond LR will be a nice addition but I doubt the bc is that high. Another good choice is the 140gr Berger hybrids.

 

[AXEL]

The old canard about the .264WM being a barrel burner is largely BS from certain gunwriters. I know guys here in BC, who have owned these original P-64 Mod. 70s since they were first introduced and some who use this round as their primary rifle cartridge. They, have taken Elk, Moose, various other ungulates and lots of bruins and it kills stuff real dead, real fast.

I know of one belonging to a local smith I used to use and he has 1000+ rounds thru it, a P-64 "Westerner". He stocked mine, an as new specimen I found with a modded wooden factory stock, in a spare Micky G&H pattern I had from a project building a matched pair of "horse rifles" for pack hunts in northern BC, using .338 sts Hart tubes and it shoots into tiny groups at 300M.

You MUST use 3 shot groups, COOL the barrel between EACH one and NEVER leave copper cleaner in those old Winny sts tubes; do this and running 140NPs at 3250ish from that 26" cutrifled old barrel, you can get some outstanding results.

I would not hesitate to use mine for our 6-pt only elk seasons, but, with the Zeiss 4.5x14 in original Warne mounts, it is heavier than I like to carry now as I have severe spinal problems.

The "upside" is that it has so little "kick" compared with my various .300 mags and favoured .338WM rifles, DOES outperform ANY .270Win, another favourite and also kicks less, to me anyway, than any of the 3 7mm RMs I had, so, for precise long shots at game, I think it a very fine cartridge and wish it were more popular.

 

[doverpack12]

The 264win is a good caliber choice. Keep your loads safe and don't string to many shots in a row and you will be fine. The 142 accubond LR will be a nice addition but I doubt the bc is that high. Another good choice is the 140gr Berger hybrids.

Every indication is last years 129 gr held up to its stated bc.

 

[elkeaterco]

Thanks for all the reply.

BackcountryMT Yes, I was asking about the 264 wm. My wife shoots the 6.5 creedmoor by savage Lady hunter. It's a damn amazing shooter. With the Hornady factory 140 A-max it shoots .404 at 100 yards. Problem with it IMO is it's only pushing it at 2700ish fps. I tried hand loading it faster but it likes that velocity range. So, limiting it to the 400 yard range for elk with maintaining enough KE and so on.

\AXEL I agree with you that it's largely a misconception or poor shooting habits that burns those barrels out. My gun smith shoots a lot of bench rest competing and agrees that they aren't any worst then a magnum.

doverpack12 lets cross our fingers that the BC holds up to the print, it would change the game as rayporter said.

Cahunter805 I have 140 A-max and 140 Bergers so will hand load those as well. Ya never know what the gun will like.

Does anyone hand load for the caliber? Powders, bullets, primers, coal, etc?

Thanks much

Jake

 

[topher89]

I have been thinking about getting at 264 Win Mag for a while.... it seems like a great Antelope/Deer gun.

I just wish there were more rifle choices. Winchester offers a couple and I have my eye on the Featherweight or the Sporter. Featherweight is lighter but the Sporter has a 26" tube.

Thoughts?

 

[BackcountryMT]

I have been thinking about getting at 264 Win Mag for a while.... it seems like a great Antelope/Deer gun.

I just wish there were more rifle choices. Winchester offers a couple and I have my eye on the Featherweight or the Sporter. Featherweight is lighter but the Sporter has a 26" tube.

Thoughts?

Extreme weather SS has a 26" barrel. We had one in our store for a bit.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001c&mid=535206

 

[topher89]

Extreme weather SS has a 26" barrel. We had one in our store for a bit.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001c&mid=535206

Interesting. Same weight as the Featherweight but with the longer barrel.

 

[Cross]

My Winchester weather extreme in .264 wm has been very good to me. At the range I have been able to clover leaf 130 tsx with 60.0 grains of retumbo. I am slowly load developing, and don't get a chance to shoot much these days.

to me a disadvantage to the .264wm is that I don't see any 150gr bullets on the market, definitely not in a all copper. Using bullets that are lighter than 130 grains or about their with a cartridge that has so much HP doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Ramshead]

I have a Rifles Inc. ultralight rifle with a Leupy 3 1/2x10 that I rebarrelled to 264 win mag. It was a muzzlebraked 300 win mag, but I found that I hated muzzlebrakes. I shoot Barnes 120 TTSX with H1000 or Retumbo and find that it kicks nicely, about like a 270. It is my primary backcountry rifle now and is a dream to carry. I use 120 TTSX to reduce recoil while providing excellent killing power. I also use 130 gr Scirroco's sometimes for improved BC's. I step up to a 270 with 160 gr Partitions for moose and grizzly, no magnumitis here.

 

[elkeaterco]

Cross, look at http://matrixballistics.com/.264-Caliber-rifle-bullets.html

They produce some excellent bullets and have a 6.5 in 160 VLD. They claim a 1:8 will stabilize it but don't know anyone shooting them to verify. BC is .685 which seems lower then expected.

 

[Cross]

I have seen the matrix bullets, but don't know anyone who has any solid field experience.
Shrek on here has reported some shooting with them but think he was still in the tuning phase with his rifle and wasn't getting the accuracy he was looking for.

Have you shot them

 

[elkeaterco]

I haven't but a guy in NZ was talking them up. Sounds like they preform very similar to the Bergers but without the pin hole wounding some people experience at close or extended range.

 

[Brado16]

Most of the BC's for the LRAB are over advertised but still should be a great choice for a High BC hunting bullet. I would look into a 6.5 SAUM- works in a SA, and sends 130's 3200-3300 FPS and 140's at 3100-3200 FPS and is not a barrel burner and has very minimal recoil and is a pleasure to shoot. Plenty of KE for Elk out to 800 plus yards. The only downfall is there is the brass prep work or price of purchasing prepped brass.

 

[BackcountryMT]

Most of the BC's for the LRAB are over advertised but still should be a great choice for a High BC hunting bullet. I would look into a 6.5 SAUM- works in a SA, and sends 130's 3200-3300 FPS and 140's at 3100-3200 FPS and is not a barrel burner and has very minimal recoil and is a pleasure to shoot. Plenty of KE for Elk out to 800 plus yards. The only downfall is there is the brass prep work or price of purchasing prepped brass.

Do you have any links proving the "over advertised" claims?

 

[Brado16]

Do you have any links proving the "over advertised" claims?

http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=258104

Here is some testing results from Bryan Litz- some of the advertised BC's are close but all are "over advertised". Not saying anything Bad about them and I do not have first hand experience shooting any of the LRAB's- I even have to play with Berger and Lapua Advertised BC's to get them to match to my drops although Brian Litz's adjusted bc's get me darn close.

 

[Sam Millard]

Here's one!
http://www.longrangeonly.com/showthread.php?402-Nosler-LRAB&highlight=lrab

I trust Broz to actually test it ( advertised BC), in a way that would prove or disprove it. That was the 210 grain .308 bullet.

I doubt there are very many long range guys messing around with the 6.5/129 LRAB. I sure don't hear about them very much, as far as being used at distances where the BC would be fleshed out one way or the other. 6.5s are tough to shoot stupid distances without conditions being favorable enough to know what you're seeing. I can tell you from a lot of firsthand experience that the 140 HVLD/Hybrid, 140 AMAX, and 140 SMK are legit to the 1000 yard line.