243 Fury and 243 Fury AI

The Sig Hybrid cases are cool stuff. I’ve been loading 260AI and 308 with it a getting unbelievable velocities.

I’ve run a 140 match burner @ 3236fps in a 24” Brux barrel. 2 weeks ago in Raton I was running the 153.5 LRHT at 3050fps.

In my 20” Tikka .308 I’ve run the 155TMK at 3077 and I am sure it could run faster. I backed it down to 3000fps for my hunting loads.
 
The Sig Hybrid cases are cool stuff. I’ve been loading 260AI and 308 with it a getting unbelievable velocities.

I’ve run a 140 match burner @ 3236fps in a 24” Brux barrel. 2 weeks ago in Raton I was running the 153.5 LRHT at 3050fps.

In my 20” Tikka .308 I’ve run the 155TMK at 3077 and I am sure it could run faster. I backed it down to 3000fps for my hunting loads.
thats super impressive, ive been thinking about doing 260 ai. getting a creedmoor shoulder with the sig brass sucks ass and the increased case capacity would certainly help with some speeds. what powders are you using?
 
Honest question, and I'm not asking to be critical - the numbers you're posting here are fascinating.

I'm not afraid of 80kPSI. What I'm afraid of is 80kPSI in a rifle designed for 65k.

From a metallurgical standpoint - I am not an engineer but I kinda worked in that world for a while and there was a very common rule of thumb that a part or gadget that would fail catastrophically at, say, value X, would likely run forever at value 1/2X and the engineers I worked with would spec things to run at that 'forever' load point but in reality they often exceeded it and always got away with it, until they didn't, which usually occurred after the original engineer had retired and it was someone else's problem. If we apply that to rifle actions we would want to design a rifle action that would hold together up to perhaps 130kPSI in order for it to 'run forever' with 65kPSI ammo. Or, in terms I used to play with a lot, my old Ruger Blackhawk was, per John Linebaugh, good for about 65kPSI before the cylinder failed, so in theory we could run 32kPSI loads in it forever, and when I went through a phase of being enamored with big bore handguns that's what I did. And, yes, I exceeded that a few times, likely pushed it to nearly 40kPSI a very few times, but stopped that because there's nothing I could really do with a handgun at 40kPSI that I couldn't really also do just as well at 23kPSI. But I digress.

So, to apply the above to your project here: If it's true that the Tikka is a true 65kpsi action, then what you're doing is somewhere on a sliding scale between 'run forever' and 'suddenly gernade on you'. It's also possible that the Tikkas have been failure tested and are stronger than I assume. If they'd hold together up to 160kPSI then I'd be fine with the 80kPSI figure, assuming primers held and you don't get gas in your face.

So....either a) the rifle is rated to handle the pressures you're seeing, or b) you're at pressures that won't create instant failures but you're turning the receiver into a consumable with a finite life. My question is, do you know which it is, and if the latter, how many rounds before you cease to trust the receiver and retire it?

I'm not asking to be critical and I'm not asking from the standpoint of looking down my nose like I'm smarter than you. I think the project you're working on is incredibly neat. I'm simply wondering what the long-term implications are for the integrity of your rifle action.
I was curious about this also, so I emailed Zermatt Arms, asking if their actions had a Max Pressure and if the High Pressure rounds such as the .277 Fury and 7mm BC were safe to use in their actions.

Response:

Those cartridges are safe to run in all of our actions. The pressure is being contained by the case so as long as you're running factory ammunition, you're good to go.

The actions have been stress tested with these cartridges and show no signs of failure or extreme stress after 50k rounds.

Thank you,

Ray Heusinkvelt
Zermatt Arms / ZAI


They have obviously done extensive testing, with over 50K rounds of high pressure ammunition and had no issues with their actions that makes me feel pretty confident they have good margin of safety built in, obviously this is only one manufacturer and they stated as long as you are using Factory Ammunition.
 
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