.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Tom-D]

Yes. Not sure about your regulations but it pays to check if you are ok to use them on public land.
People will say that this tech doesn't hold its zero and is temperamental. Thats rubbish. Ive read it on here. They don't rely on mechanical adjustments and I have more confidence in them than ordinary scopes. Superb for the culling jobs that I do. My digital and thermal scopes get a thrashing. Ive had one failure (a range finder playing up).

How do you adjust it for elevation do you automatically get that corrected reticle when you range?

 

[Tahr]

How do you adjust it for elevation do you automatically get that corrected reticle when you range?

Yes. You load your ballistics into it and then when you capture the range the red aiming cross automatically adjusts. You can set it so the cross hair adjusts instead of having the auxiliary aiming point.

 

[RockAndSage]

No, they do not perform similarly in gel. One expands and fragments. One yaws and fragments. The first video is Clear Ballistics Gel which is NOT an indicator or terminal performance and should not be used. The AR15.com videos are generally good. However, if you watched them, how did you come to that those the Horn 75gr HPBT and 77gr TMK are similar?

If you read this thread from the start, I state multiple times that Open Tip Match bullets with relatively thick jackets (SMK, Hornady HPBT, etc.) generally kill fine yet can exhibit variable terminal performance. It is not unusual for most OTM’s to yaw and deviate from the original track after striking a barrier, even light ones. Having said that, you could probably shoot another 20-30 and not have an issue with those bullets.

As for the overall situation and deers reaction, animals shot when utilizing a suppressor often react as they do from archery. What you experienced is not unusual as far as animal reaction goes. Had you shot it unsuppressed it likely would have ran until oxygen and/or blood pressure dropped and been dead before you found it.


I’ve stated this numerous times, for general hunting with .224’s-

1). 55, 62, 64, and 75 grain Speer Gold Dots as well as identically constructed Federal Fusion including the 90gr.

2). Hornady 75 and 88gr AMAX/ELD-M (can be a bit splashy).

3). 77gr Tipped MatchKing

I did not forget any. I did not leave any out. If it’s not one of the above, it is probably because it does not perform like the above.

The 77gr TMK is currently THE .224 bullet for 223’s in soft tissue in the broadest ranges and use.

This just got linked in another thread - 5 1/2 years old, any changes or additions you'd make to this list?

 

[Formidilosus]

This just got linked in another thread - 5 1/2 years old, any changes or additions you'd make to this list?

1). 77 and 88gr TMK

2). 73/75/80/88gr ELD-M* (sometimes individual lots have less than optimal upset)

3). 55/62/75 gr Fusion/Gold Dot


That’s the top that I would choose. Of course lots of bullets can be used- 55gr varmint bullets to the ribs kills very well most of the time. 75gr Swift Scirocco is good but a bit narrow wounding. Partitions, PowerPoints, Berger VLD’s, Barnes March Burners, 55gr Spire Points, Game Kings, etc, etc. They can all kill.

However- there is no .224 bullet that overall, consistently matches what the 77gr and 88gr TMK’s do in tissue. They are demonstrably beyond question the best choice for pure killing in .224 bullets.

 

[sierracharlie338]

1). 77 and 88gr TMK

2). 73/75/80/88gr ELD-M* (sometimes individual lots have less than optimal upset)

3). 55/62/75 gr Fusion/Gold Dot


That’s the top that I would choose. Of course lots of bullets can be used- 55gr varmint bullets to the ribs kills very well most of the time. 75gr Swift Scirocco is good but a bit narrow wounding. Partitions, PowerPoints, Berger VLD’s, Barnes March Burners, 55gr Spire Points, Game Kings, etc, etc. They can all kill.

However- there is no .224 bullet that overall, consistently matches what the 77gr and 88gr TMK’s do in tissue. They are demonstrably beyond question the best choice for pure killing in .224 bullets.

I find it interesting that you leave off the 69g variant of the TMK both times. Have you seen that dramatic of difference in wound channels between it and the 77/88 or just not near as much evaluation in the field?

 

[Nine Banger]

I find it interesting that you leave off the 69g variant of the TMK both times. Have you seen that dramatic of difference in wound channels between it and the 77/88 or just not near as much evaluation in the field?

I was thinking about this bullet a few days ago as a potential means to an end for quick drop in a 16" barrel at sea level, but hadn't put it in a ballistic app yet to see what it will do out to 400.

 

[sierracharlie338]

I was thinking about this bullet a few days ago as a potential means to an end for quick drop in a 16" barrel at sea level, but hadn't put it in a ballistic app yet to see what it will do out to 400.

Ironically it is a hammer out of my 700 Tac with a 9 twist.

This was 10 straight out of aics mag, not even trying.

I can’t bring myself to rebarrel to a faster twist…. Yet…

 

[Nine Banger]

Ironically it is a hammer out of my 700 Tac with a 9 twist.
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This was 10 straight out of aics mag, not even trying.

I can’t bring myself to rebarrel to a faster twist…. Ye

With the .375 BC it needs 2875fps to make quick drop at sea level.

That may be a doable in a 16" gun.

The 69gr match king needs 3000fps...what a difference a good tip makes...

 

[sierracharlie338]

With the .375 BC it needs 2875fps to make quick drop.

That may be a doable in a 16" gun.

The 69gr match king needs 3000fps...what a difference a good tip makes...

I’m in that neighborhood with zero pressure signs in a 20 inch barrel. Might be doable.

 

[Nine Banger]

I’m in that neighborhood with zero pressure signs in a 20 inch barrel. Might be doable.

Thanks man.

The 77gr will do it at sea level at 2825 with the .420 BC so there's no utility for the 69gr tmk.

My 18" barrel spikes out around 2800.

Prob need a 22GT for that mission. Or AI