.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[RockAndSage]

When you got not facts or data you better have an extra helping of overconfidence to get you through!

Overconfidence = noun, related to the original, antiquated Fuddlish expressions "wallop" or "authoritah". See also "stopping power" and "taylor knockout formula".

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Welp, that was a monstrous waste of 3 minutes.

Wouldn't give a damn if detractors weren't so arrogant in their opinions...

It’s just outrage posting. Every time someone links one of those stupid videos here, all they are doing is giving the guy views.

 

[DAULT1]

Nothing new here, but figured I’d post another elk to the top of the list for those not reading the entire thread through. Two years ago switched from 270wsm to the 223 77tmk combo. Since then it’s got use on an elk, a caribou, six whitetails, and an antelope. No regrets so far.

 

[DAULT1]

Caribou with broken shoulder from 77 tmk

 

[Xycod]

So serious question, if the 223 or 22s in the general opinion are valid for most any big game, why isn’t the 5.7 the best pistol cal for intended use. Personally imo it’s better than any 9mm, it’s easier to shoot, has less recoil, holds more rds, has extreme velocity, and its devastation on target with soft points is great.

Still many or even most think the 5.7 is somehow inadequate for sd. Thoughts on why the king of fudd rounds, that being the 100 plus year old 9mm, seems to be the end all be all. And as for $, if you go +p or premium 9 ammo then it’s not much cheaper if any than good 10mm, 45, 40, or even 5.7.

Again serious question, even though it’s a little off topic but does the same logic apply.

 

[WDR]

So serious question, if the 223 or 22s in the general opinion are valid for most any big game, why isn’t the 5.7 the best pistol cal for intended use. Personally imo it’s better than any 9mm, it’s easier to shoot, has less recoil, holds more rds, has extreme velocity, and its devastation on target with soft points is great.

I know I'm an FNG, and it might ruffle feathers, but your opinion is not based on facts. Some of what you have said is true, but the terminal effectiveness of 5.7 falls below 9mm... and that is why its not used. The depth of penetration is not sufficient with most commercially available ammo, and when it is, the total wounding effect is less than what you get with common handgun rounds.

And that goes beyond the scope of this thread, so that's all I have to say about it here.

 

[River Reaper]

So serious question, if the 223 or 22s in the general opinion are valid for most any big game, why isn’t the 5.7 the best pistol cal for intended use. Personally imo it’s better than any 9mm, it’s easier to shoot, has less recoil, holds more rds, has extreme velocity, and its devastation on target with soft points is great.

Still many or even most think the 5.7 is somehow inadequate for sd. Thoughts on why the king of fudd rounds, that being the 100 plus year old 9mm, seems to be the end all be all. And as for $, if you go +p or premium 9 ammo then it’s not much cheaper if any than good 10mm, 45, 40, or even 5.7.

Again serious question, even though it’s a little off topic but does the same logic apply.

You might find this interesting:

 

[4090Sharps]

So serious question, if the 223 or 22s in the general opinion are valid for most any big game, why isn’t the 5.7 the best pistol cal for intended use. Personally imo it’s better than any 9mm, it’s easier to shoot, has less recoil, holds more rds, has extreme velocity, and its devastation on target with soft points is great.

Still many or even most think the 5.7 is somehow inadequate for sd. Thoughts on why the king of fudd rounds, that being the 100 plus year old 9mm, seems to be the end all be all. And as for $, if you go +p or premium 9 ammo then it’s not much cheaper if any than good 10mm, 45, 40, or even 5.7.

Again serious question, even though it’s a little off topic but does the same logic apply.

I think there are more than a few 5.7 fans here, myself being one of them. But since this is a hunting thread, doesn’t come up that often.

 

[omicron1792]

Caribou with broken shoulder from 77 tmk

Wait. I thought a 223 bullet would bounce off a shoulder? Didn’t the guy prove that with the cow humerus?

 

[Rockpicker]

First time out this year with the 223 since antlerless season in December. Wind was about 15 up to 20 and sure wasn’t that much where I was shooting from which made me miss twice. First shot was low. Shot 2 and 3 was a miss and had me scratching my bald head. 4 was high left and 5-8 was in the big splash in the red and then got sloppy on the last one just to the right of the red. I’m guessing the steel is 8.5x12.5, haven’t measured it yet but will on Wednesday.

Not the most stable platform but a round bale hauler works in a pinch. I couldn’t use a sweatshirt or gloves for a rest on it as it was too high for me to begin with and would have been worse had I used something for a rest. Sitting on my butt. Had to cant the rifle to center it on the target, good enough I guess.



570 yards. Red marks the spot.





Steel is a piece of vault so extremely hard and barely scuffs from a 223 at distance. You can make out the 4 hits in person in the big pock mark.

 

[mt terry d]

The more I shoot the more I see and understand the effects of a poor setup or awkward position.
Drives home the reality that just because I can hit at a certain distance when everything is right
doesn't mean I can hit as well when everything is not right.

I like how Thomas from THRL.NO says you don't commit to taking the shot on an animal
until you have things right and not before.

 

[Tahr]

223. 525 yards. Fallow deer. Berger jacketed 74 grn.

 

[Deere_Man]

223. 525 yards. Fallow deer. Berger jacketed 74 grn.

I wonder if my Tikka T3 shooting 73gr ELDM is capable of such a shot. Well done

 

[Castle Rock]

Pretty sure the it’s more the Indian than the arrow.

 

[Tahr]

I wonder if my Tikka T3 shooting 73gr ELDM is capable of such a shot. Well done

Of course
That was a a Tikka. Carbon stock and extended Waters' mag. Ballistics trued out to 550 yds.

I actually shot that one's best friend just previous too.

And a head shot same day. 244 yds. I was looking into the late day sun which made it tricky. I had waited quite a while until the sun dropped a bit before taking the shot.

If you look at the time stamps I got the three in 6 minutes.

 

[The Guide]

Of course
That was a a Tikka. Carbon stock and extended Waters' mag. Ballistics trued out to 550 yds.

I actually shot that one's best friend just previous too.

And a head shot same day. 244 yds. I was looking into the late day sun which made it tricky. I had waited quite a while until the sun dropped a bit before taking the shot.

If you look at the time stamps I got the three in 6 minutes.

Is that a DNT scope?

Jay

 

[Tahr]

Is that a DNT scope?

Jay

DNT Zulus 4K

 

[Tahr]

.223. 280 yards on the move...

 

[Deere_Man]

280 yards on the move...

This one? :

https://us.dntoptics.com/products/zulus-4k-tube-style-digital-day-night-vision-scope-with-laser-rangefinder-and-dnt-ballistic-engine?srsltid=AfmBOophSXG85_9ntSz6g9fP7p6mPhOfJAjQcf0_N9JkpytLsnVHqcp9

 

[Tahr]

This one? :

https://us.dntoptics.com/products/zulus-4k-tube-style-digital-day-night-vision-scope-with-laser-rangefinder-and-dnt-ballistic-engine?srsltid=AfmBOophSXG85_9ntSz6g9fP7p6mPhOfJAjQcf0_N9JkpytLsnVHqcp9

Yes. Not sure about your regulations but it pays to check if you are ok to use them on public land.
People will say that this tech doesn't hold its zero and is temperamental. Thats rubbish. Ive read it on here. They don't rely on mechanical adjustments and I have more confidence in them than ordinary scopes. Superb for the culling jobs that I do. My digital and thermal scopes get a thrashing. Ive had one failure (a range finder playing up).