.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[coy17]

Good day for the Tikka 223. 2 coyotes in the AM and a little meat buck 10 minutes before the season ended. Typical 77 TMK results. 50 yard shot, ran 35 yards with no blood trail. The only disappointment was that I didn't hold a little higher because the heart was absolutely shredded and I really wanted some heart meat

How did the tmk's do fur wise ?

 

[KHntr]

Yea but what if a fella wanted to shoot something big like elk or moose?.......grin

THAT would just be luck if it worked!
But it’s just hypothetical anyway. Nobody kills big stuff like that with a 22 centerfire and a good bullet……..

 

[BLJ]

THAT would just be luck if it worked!
But it’s just hypothetical anyway. Nobody kills big stuff like that with a 22 centerfire and a good bullet……..

Vented gas cans are the trophy in that picture.
Old ones I assume?

 

[FredH]

Being that's a given, why argue that? Do you dispute the point in the upper post?

Do the words "irrelevant" or "non sequitur" mean anything to you?

The obvious is neither irrelevant or a non sequitur.

 

[Billy Goat]

The oblivious are either irrelevant or a non quiter.

 

[FredH]

Personally, I am of the opinion that a heavy for caliber, more frangible bullet spun fast buts a lot more leeway on a marginal hit than a larger caliber bonded or mono bullet.

So yes, the shooter is secondary to bullet construction in my opinion.

Wow I gues we are just trying to find something to disagree with. Well I am definitely not in the Mono camp. In situations where deer penetration might be needed I like bonded bullets like the Fusions. I am of the camp that a heavy for caliber bullet spun fast puts a lot more leeway on a marginal hit also. However I also believe a larger heavy for caliber, quickly expanding bullet that looses some weight to fragmentation bullet spun fast at a similar velocity gives even more leeway on marginal hits. However here we see mostly perfect or almost perfect hits being put into the database. It would be nice to gather some data on not so perfect hits for the database.

 

[Thegman]

The obvious is neither irrelevant or a non sequitur.

Really?

"The sky is blue". That's obvious, therefore it must also be relevant to one being able to shoot smaller cartridges more precisely than significantly larger cartridges?

What's the matter with you?

 

[KHntr]

Vented gas cans are the trophy in that picture.
Old ones I assume?

Hadn’t really thought about it, but I have a fair jag of them kicking around and haven’t bought one in at least a decade…

 

[Dave0317]

I think it would be great to organize a Rokslide shoot to prove or disprove some of these obvious things.

I’m sure shooter background plays a role in how well a person can shoot a large caliber. But I think the average effect has been discussed many many times here. Maybe this idea has even been posted before, but if not, here it is.

We should do a shoot to compare how much a shooter’s hit rate is affected. Mainly 100 yard drills to minimize effects of wind, weather, etc.

Get shooters of various backgrounds together, including at least a few big caliber believers that “know” they are capable of shooting a 300WM just as accurately as a .223.

Shoot the Rifle Kraft drill.
Shoot the Carl Ross Hunting drill.
Maybe throw in some other course of fire or two if more data seems relevant. Have all the shooters shoot it with .223 and some larger caliber. Maybe a 30-06 or similar. And shoot both from rifles that are similarly set up. So like a .223 T3X and a 30-06 T3x, both with same stock and scope.

I have some predictions how this would turn out. Would make an entertaining YouTube thing, kind of like the Backfire milk jug challenges.

 

[KHntr]

. However here we see mostly perfect or almost perfect hits being put into the database. It would be nice to gather some data on not so perfect hits for the database.

Not the first time I posted this pic in this thread.
Young hunter (15). First elk. First animal without his dad beside him.
202 yards. 223AI. 88 ELD m. Quartering to us, and he pulled the shot to the right and smoked her square in the middle of the chest. Bullet exited at the leading edge of the offside shoulder. Maybe 2” of entry into the ribcage. Fronts of both lungs black and bleeding from bullet shrapnel. A mono or bonded bullet likely would have resulted in a rodeo.

Dead in under 40 yards.