.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Marbles]

Hmmm. I think I may have actually read it on rokslide. I think someone said it tastes about like beaver. I assumed beaver was good... A guy once told me it was very good.

Maybe they're both nasty and those two guys are short a few marbles

I like marmot, just a giant squirrel. But, to your point, I've lost my marbles.

 

[waspocrew]

Loading VV powders (N135, N140, N150) I have hit pressure prior to VVs max. YMMV.

Loading N565 in my 6.5 PRC, I didn’t hit pressure until nearly 4 gr over their max for the 144/143 data, which fell in line with several others load data posted on this site.

Agreed though, probably was too broad with my statement.

 

[Pharmseller]

Not sure. Can't find it on the Sportsmans website but that tracks since I bought it around covid time. I'm driving and don't have a tape in the truck. It is around 12". It's not a hanging gong, it sits on the ground and tilts forward. Has 2 rods that go through the holes.

Jay

Copy.

12” works for elk, 8” for deer, 4” for marmots.




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[Marbles]

Loading N565 in my 6.5 PRC, I didn’t hit pressure until nearly 4 gr over their max for the 144/143 data, which fell in line with several others load data posted on this site.

Agreed though, probably was too broad with my statement.

I may just be pressure sensitive, saw it in 223 and 308 with VV powderes and have pressure before book max on my 243 using H4350.

I tried ignoring the ejector swipes and intermittent heavy bolt lift, making various excuses to include not being over book max; until I blew some primers on the 223, then decided to be a bigger sissy on everything. I could probably push harder, especially with better brass.

 

[BigEd36]

Well, this will certainly change things around with the .223/5.56 rounds. Badlands Munitions Shell Shock ammunition with nickel alloy cases. In this tests the Shell Shock ammunition averaged 225 fps faster then Black Hills ammunition, both loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets.

17:30 for his testing of the 77 grain ammunition in an 18" barreled AR.

What are your thoughts on this? It's bringing the technology of the 277 Fury and 7 Back Country to the 5.56 cartridge. This could add yards to the effective range of the cartridge, possibly make bullets perform a little better in a barrel with a marginal twist rate with the added velocity.

 

[wind gypsy]

I may just be pressure sensitive, saw it in 223 and 308 with VV powderes and have pressure before book max on my 243 using H4350.

I tried ignoring the ejector swipes and intermittent heavy bolt lift, making various excuses to include not being over book max; until I blew some primers on the 223, then decided to be a bigger sissy on everything. I could probably push harder, especially with better brass.

Much like Berger data (under the same capstone ownership), viht data seems to vary from conservative to hot depending on cartridge. It's possible that it's real and the delta is what cartridges show pressure sooner.. But yeah, i've noticed their data seems really hot on 223 and pretty hot on 6 creed (at least with n555) but quite mild on others.

Also, i recently loaded a bunch of 223 with "below common internet loads" of H4895 and XBR and now i've got a bunch of hard to get Lapua brass with primer pockets that loosened up considerably after 1 firing.

 

[Marbles]

Also, i recently loaded a bunch of 223 with "below common internet loads" of H4895 and XBR and now i've got a bunch of hard to get Lapua brass with primer pockets that loosened up considerably after 1 firing.

That sucks.

 

[gman82001]

Well, this will certainly change things around with the .223/5.56 rounds. Badlands Munitions Shell Shock ammunition with nickel alloy cases. In this tests the Shell Shock ammunition averaged 225 fps faster then Black Hills ammunition, both loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets.

17:30 for his testing of the 77 grain ammunition in an 18" barreled AR.

What are your thoughts on this? It's bringing the technology of the 277 Fury and 7 Back Country to the 5.56 cartridge. This could add yards to the effective range of the cartridge, possibly make bullets perform a little better in a barrel with a marginal twist rate with the added velocity.

It’ll definitely negate the cheap practice part of the 223

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

It’ll definitely negate the cheap practice part of the 223

$1.45/rnd vs $0.90/rnd for Norma GTM 77 match kings...

No thanks

 

[BigEd36]

It’ll definitely negate the cheap practice part of the 223

$1.45/rnd vs $0.90/rnd for Norma GTM 77 match kings...

No thanks

It would definitely be in the "for serious use only" category. A few for chronographing and sighting in, save the rest for "serious use only".

 

[Castle Rock]

Also, i recently loaded a bunch of 223 with "below common internet loads" of H4895 and XBR and now i've got a bunch of hard to get Lapua brass with primer pockets that loosened up considerably after 1 firing.

That is a pretty common thing, new brass should be seasoned with a mild load first firing, it work hardens the brass and after that can handle pressure better

 

[Thegman]

It would definitely be in the "for serious use only" category. A few for chronographing and sighting in, save the rest for "seriious use only".

Will be interesting if it pans out, but so far, the guys messing with them on the UL-UL Rifle thread (including me) have had kind of wonky results with their cases.


I also noted previously on their site, that velocities they listed weren't any faster than what I can load brass cases. According to this video, maybe that part has changed (?).

 

[schmidty3]

$1.45/rnd vs $0.90/rnd for Norma GTM 77 match kings...


No thanks

Ok...now compare to a 22 arc. If they'll load the TMKs to near 22 arc speeds. Now we've got a gun that has cheap blaster ammo, but can flex up into a really good hunting setup. That would check a lot of boxes for a lot of people.

Well, this will certainly change things around with the .223/5.56 rounds. Badlands Munitions Shell Shock ammunition with nickel alloy cases. In this tests the Shell Shock ammunition averaged 225 fps faster then Black Hills ammunition, both loaded with 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets.

17:30 for his testing of the 77 grain ammunition in an 18" barreled AR.

What are your thoughts on this? It's bringing the technology of the 277 Fury and 7 Back Country to the 5.56 cartridge. This could add yards to the effective range of the cartridge, possibly make bullets perform a little better in a barrel with a marginal twist rate with the added velocity.

I bugged em on IG to make some TMKs. I received a positive response. I think roksliders would hoover them up. Even if they just made a brass option. Their price point lands nicely between aac and black hills. Neither which are readily in stock.

 

[JJ3]

Took this one with a 62 grain gold dot over TAC at 85 yards back in February.
This is the third deer taken cleanly with this combo for me.
Black and white pic is a still taken from a wireless video camera at the shot.

Missed this one. Cool deer and nice mount.

Did you get a pass through? Blood? What area is it from?

 

[D R T]

Blackbuck antelope from yesterday. Tikka 223 chopped to 20” wearing an AB suppressor. 77 gr tipped match killers. Went less than 20 yards.

 

[grfox92]

I'm getting set up to reload for .223. Finally. I will be using an AR for now until I get a bolt gun.

My AR shot factory Fiochi 55gr V Max into a 1 inch 10 shot group at 100 yards. I'm looking at midway at some of these factory second bullets in the $10 to $20 per 100 range. That would be my sweet spot for buying some bulk. Is there a way to know what I'm getting? I'm not looking for V Max per se, just a better bullet than what you would get in Bulk FMJ ammo.

To be clear this is just for shooting paper and steel. If my wife draws an antelope tag I'll get some eldm when that time comes. But for now I need ammo just for training.

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[Jimbee]

I'm getting set up to reload for .223. Finally. I will be using an AR for now until I get a bolt gun.

My AR shot factory Fiochi 55gr V Max into a 1 inch 10 shot group at 100 yards. I'm looking at midway at some of these factory second bullets in the $10 to $20 per 100 range. That would be my sweet spot for buying some bulk. Is there a way to know what I'm getting? I'm not looking for V Max per se, just a better bullet than what you would get in Bulk FMJ ammo.

To be clear this is just for shooting paper and steel. If my wife draws an antelope tag I'll get some eldm when that time comes. But for now I need ammo just for training.

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Look at the questions and reviews for the individual seconds bullets.

 

[Slickhill]

And compare the name/description and the picture. Hornadys use a shaded cartoon picture and the seconds will often use the same image.
Don’t be afraid of the seconds for use on game. I can’t recall the last time I used a full price factory first for anything.

 

[TimberHunter]

Loading VV powders (N135, N140, N150) I have hit pressure prior to VVs max. YMMV.

I recently loaded up some N150 with 77 TMK. 16 rounds (1 at 23, 6-24 and 7-24.5 grains) all went into the same 1.25” group. Velocity was 2690 at 24 and 2735 at 24.5 with a 16” tikka barrel

Lot of powder crunching at 24 and 24.5 when 77 TMKs loaded to 2.270 coal. But when shaking 24, there seemed to be the finest bit of movement still left in the powder that could be heard by the ear

No signs of pressure other than a few mild primer cratering at 24.5

Vih book max shows a bit over 25 grains with COAL of 2.26 with nosler 77. No idea how they got that lol

Did you experience the same thing or did you actually hit pressure?

 

[Marbles]

I recently loaded up some N150 with 77 TMK. 16 rounds (1 at 23, 6-24 and 7-24.5 grains) all went into the same 1.25” group. Velocity was 2690 at 24 and 2735 at 24.5 with a 16” tikka barrel

Lot of powder crunching at 24 and 24.5 when 77 TMKs loaded to 2.270 coal. But when shaking 24, there seemed to be the finest bit of movement still left in the powder that could be heard by the ear

No signs of pressure other than a few mild primer cratering at 24.5

Vih book max shows a bit over 25 grains with COAL of 2.26 with nosler 77. No idea how they got that lol

Did you experience the same thing or did you actually hit pressure?

12 inch drop tub and tapping let me load 25.5 gr at mag length, with crunching of course.

That was the load that I blew primers on. Before that, I had shot a decent number (between 50-150) of that load with mild cratering on CCI 450s and flattening on Fed 205s. 2778 fps from a 16.5 inch barrel suppressed using FC brass.

25.0 gr looked similar in testing but I did not load nearly as many.

Currently I'm using 24.6 gr for 2700 fps using fed 205s in Federal 5.56 brass.

According to my notes I got 26.0 gr of N140 in Sig brass and no pressure signs, I found both N135 and N150 to be more accurate than N140, so other than burning up the poundbin target loads, I did not play with it much. But, given that the Sig brass has a smaller water capacity than FC and that N150 is a slower powder, I was falsely confident in 25.5 gr being fine.