22 Creedmoor - Tell me why I should or shouldn't

[USAF Ret]

The .223/5.56 with 77-grain TMKs is perfectly capable at 300 yards (and well beyond). Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you.

I believe you and the others. Good to hear real world results.

 

[HandgunHTR]

Not on my hunting rifle. I just picked up my upper from my gunsmith. I had him install an 18" Ballistic Advantage barrel. I will be taking it to the range this weekend for load testing and will do some calculations off the MV. If I get good groups, sounds like I will just stick with what I got. Appreciate it.

With an 18" barrel out of a gas gun, you should be able to get into the 2600 fps range with the 77s without too much trouble. Assuming somewhere around 500 feet of elevation (pretty much average for NC) that will easily get you to 400 yards.

 

[USAF Ret]

With an 18" barrel out of a gas gun, you should be able to get into the 2600 fps range with the 77s without too much trouble. Assuming somewhere around 500 feet of elevation (pretty much average for NC) that will easily get you to 400 yards.

Much appreciated. I am about to sell quite a few firearms that don't fit my needs anymore and I just don't shoot. I was debating putting the money back into another rifle and caliber. Good stuff to think on. Thanks!

 

[Wrench]

The creed is going to be much harder on meat than anything else you have. You're not shooting far enough for it to shine. If I were buying another rifle for your criteria, it'd be a 8tw 223/223ai in a bolt gun.....plenty of juice, cheap ammo, light weight, low recoil and 3x barrel life.

 

[USAF Ret]

The creed is going to be much harder on meat than anything else you have. You're not shooting far enough for it to shine. If I were buying another rifle for your criteria, it'd be a 8tw 223/223ai in a bolt gun.....plenty of juice, cheap ammo, light weight, low recoil and 3x barrel life.

Good point. I would like to do some long range shooting, but it is too far of a drive to a range with any distance. I know a 223 AI would give me a little more punch, but from the sounds of it, it's not really needed. Thanks a lot for the input.

 

[USAF Ret]

Appreciate all the info. I may look into a 6 ARC as I have a 300 BO I really don't shoot and my suppressed 9mm PCC does short work better. Might just do a rebarrel which is a heck of a lot cheaper than a new rifle.

 

[Eldoradotim]

Similar question to piggy back on this...

Lets say a guy drank the Koolaid and is all in on .223 and 77 TMK.

Already having the .223, my assumption is that 22 Creedmoor in 77 tmk (or ELD-M) essentially extends the effective range by quite a bit, with the least amount of added recoil (compared to 6 Creed or something). Also with the benefit of being more gooder with regards to wind/drop.

Correct assumptions?

 

[Nine Banger]

Similar question to piggy back on this...

Lets say a guy drank the Koolaid and is all in on .223 and 77 TMK.

Already having the .223, my assumption is that 22 Creedmoor in 77 tmk (or ELD-M) essentially extends the effective range by quite a bit, with the least amount of added recoil (compared to 6 Creed or something). Also with the benefit of being more gooder with regards to wind/drop.

Correct assumptions?

Yeah or you can shorten the barrel with the extra powder and get the same performance as a long 223 or mid length GT.

 

[willfrye027]

22 creed is a lot of fun and my go to for western big game. Unless you need the extra velocity and extended range, your 223 might be an even better choice with lower recoil and much less finicky to load for.

Downsides of 22 creed are somewhat finicky to load for and less barrel life. The upside is extended range/higher MV. The trade off is worth it for me but if I was mostly hunting whitetails I’d be shooting my 223

 

[43.6N]

I have been watching videos and reading up on the 22 Creedmoor. I am a disabled vet (titanium rod for a neck, torn shoulders, and chronic headaches) and recoil is getting harder and harder to handle. I hunt suppressed and have recently added one of the suppressor muzzle brakes to help out even more. I mainly whitetail hunt in NC where 22 centerfire is legal for deer hunting. I currently hunt with a 7mm-08 and 5.56.

Why should I get one for deer hunting?

Why shouldn't I get one for deer hunting?

You should get one because 77-88gr bullets moving above 3000fps wreck soft tissue.

You should not get one because the barrels age like room temperature milk, and it burns more powder than necessary to get the velocity effect. If you go with a short barrel, it will have a pretty noticeable pop. And all that powder heats up the can pretty quickly.
There are other small recoil chamberings that get very good velocity in 22 cal. There are also very light recoiling 6mm that burn so much less powder.

I shot out my 22 creed barrel after 6 months. That included 2 elk hunts and weekly coyote trips. Awesome cartridge. But when I put a new barrel on, I went with something that had more barrel life while keeping the same (or less) recoil.

 

[Nine Banger]

I shot out my 22 creed barrel after 6 months. That included 2 elk hunts and weekly coyote trips. Awesome cartridge. But when I put a new barrel on, I went with something that had more barrel life while keeping the same (or less) recoil.

This is where I see my life going...

 

[RWT]

Have you considered a bolt 223? I find the ergo’s better on a bolt vs the gas gun. I also find it easier to shoot smaller groups with the bolt. The smaller groups give me more confidence at distance. This may also let you play with reloading as you aren’t having to invest in multiple calibers. I have narrowed my calibers down to 4. 308, 6.5CM 6.5grendel and 223. I only keep the 308 as some ranch’s I hunt won’t let you use a CM. Silly but it is what it is. The narrowing of calibers really helped me practice more and keep track of my ammo inventory much better.

 

[Eldoradotim]

I shot out my 22 creed barrel after 6 months. That included 2 elk hunts and weekly coyote trips. Awesome cartridge. But when I put a new barrel on, I went with something that had more barrel life while keeping the same (or less) recoil.

What did you rebarrel to?

 

[Ajsomp]

22 creed won’t offer you any more than what you have. Even though 22 creed is low recoil, it’s more than a 223. As someone who lived in NC for years, if I were only hunting in NC, I’d only use a 16” 223 with a suppressor.

@TBoschma is shooting a high pressure version of the 223 77 TMK from badlands. He’s getting some good velocities and groups. I plan to check them out. If they are the truth, there’s really no need for a 22 creed unless you want it.

 

[Wrench]

Similar question to piggy back on this...

Lets say a guy drank the Koolaid and is all in on .223 and 77 TMK.

Already having the .223, my assumption is that 22 Creedmoor in 77 tmk (or ELD-M) essentially extends the effective range by quite a bit, with the least amount of added recoil (compared to 6 Creed or something). Also with the benefit of being more gooder with regards to wind/drop.

Correct assumptions?

A creed at close range is going to turn a deer into jello.....so keep that in mind.

 

[USAF Ret]

You should get one because 77-88gr bullets moving above 3000fps wreck soft tissue.

You should not get one because the barrels age like room temperature milk, and it burns more powder than necessary to get the velocity effect. If you go with a short barrel, it will have a pretty noticeable pop. And all that powder heats up the can pretty quickly.
There are other small recoil chamberings that get very good velocity in 22 cal. There are also very light recoiling 6mm that burn so much less powder.

I shot out my 22 creed barrel after 6 months. That included 2 elk hunts and weekly coyote trips. Awesome cartridge. But when I put a new barrel on, I went with something that had more barrel life while keeping the same (or less) recoil.

What did you go with on the rebarrel?

 

[USAF Ret]

Have you considered a bolt 223? I find the ergo’s better on a bolt vs the gas gun. I also find it easier to shoot smaller groups with the bolt. The smaller groups give me more confidence at distance. This may also let you play with reloading as you aren’t having to invest in multiple calibers. I have narrowed my calibers down to 4. 308, 6.5CM 6.5grendel and 223. I only keep the 308 as some ranch’s I hunt won’t let you use a CM. Silly but it is what it is. The narrowing of calibers really helped me practice more and keep track of my ammo inventory much better.

I have two of them, but like hunting with the AR better. Less weight and quick follow up.

 

[Bluumoon]

I have two of them, but like hunting with the AR better. Less weight and quick follow up.

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My burnt out 22CM went back to cheap Tikka 22-250 take off.

 

[43.6N]

What did you go with on the rebarrel?

18” 6GT.
107’s at 2800fps.
116’s at 2730fps.

Easy to load for. Easy to shoot.
Case dimensions work well with Varget and H4350. My two favorite powders.

 

[nm.otter]

you can shorten the barrel with the extra powder and get the same performance as a long 223 or mid length GT.

...or buy a .22 ARC, which does well in short barrels and will gain hugely from 80k ammo.