I thought you could only use a rifle in VA in the fall on birds?Tough season here in VA. Got this one evening during the last week of the season. No decoys, on private land and used my .243 at about 60 yards. God Bless.
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I thought you could only use a rifle in VA in the fall on birds?Tough season here in VA. Got this one evening during the last week of the season. No decoys, on private land and used my .243 at about 60 yards. God Bless.
Sorry, but you are mistaken.I thought you could only use a rifle in VA in the fall on birds?
I thought you could only use a rifle in VA in the fall on birds?
One would certainly think in looking through sporting, safety, and sustainability lenses that would be the case. Sadly, I think the old dominion isn’t going to change their ways until they’re all gone.
Turkeys populations are the lowest they’ve been in my lifetime, and that sentiment is echoed by many guys I know that have been doing it for decades as well. Seeing a gobbler popped by a rifle the last week of a tough season that would have otherwise made it further cements my feelings on the unnecessarily broad definition of legal take in our state. We can’t keep waging war on turkeys and expect them to persist.
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Take that nonsense out of here. If turkey numbers are low, it isn’t because someone shot one with a rifle at 60 yards.
We better ban TSS… give me a break.
None, because the dominant gobbler theory is trash. There isn't a study out there showing hens aren't getting bred.How many hens went unbred because the dominant gobbler was killed by one of these newfound methods that would have kept him alive until atleast May two decades ago?
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None, because the dominant gobbler theory is trash. There isn't a study out there showing hens aren't getting bred.
I agree with most else you said though.
If that is genuinely the case (not enough gobblers to breed hens once harvest starts) then the season needs shut down in your county/area. What state/area are you in?Let’s say you’re in a part of the world that’s seen marked decrease in overall turkey abundance, and there’s only one gobbler with less than a handful of hens in a specific area. If he dies in late March/ early April, and there’s no other gobblers around to breed his hens, they’re not getting bred. The validity or lack thereof of Chamberlain’s dominant gobbler hypothesis doesn’t apply.
Just in my own experience the last few years and some of my closest hunting friends’ experiences, this is a very real scenario now. The overwhelming majority of the turkey landscape in our part of the world looks like what I laid out above. There aren’t enough “satellite” gobblers to cover hens if the “herd” gobbler dies before the breeding is done. Anymore, you know what turkey you’re hunting before you get out of the truck every morning. More often than not, it’s one specific gobbler. Gone are the days of “wonder how many we’ll hear this morning.”
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Let’s say you’re in a part of the world that’s seen marked decrease in overall turkey abundance, and there’s only one gobbler with less than a handful of hens in a specific area. If he dies in late March/ early April, and there’s no other gobblers around to breed his hens, they’re not getting bred. The validity or lack thereof of Chamberlain’s dominant gobbler hypothesis doesn’t apply.
Just in my own experience the last few years and some of my closest hunting friends’ experiences, this is a very real scenario now. The overwhelming majority of the turkey landscape in our part of the world looks like what I laid out above. There aren’t enough “satellite” gobblers to cover hens if the “herd” gobbler dies before the breeding is done. Anymore, you know what turkey you’re hunting before you get out of the truck every morning. More often than not, it’s one specific gobbler. Gone are the days of “wonder how many we’ll hear this morning.”
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If that is genuinely the case (not enough gobblers to breed hens once harvest starts) then the season needs shut down in your county/area. What state/area are you in?
Most studies I have seen point to the majority of hens being bred before the actual hunting seasons begins. This is not to say some don’t, or nests get raided and they are looking to breed again. However, unlike deer season turkey season doesn’t really occur at peak breeding.
I’m not saying there isn’t reason for concern, there are just a lot of factors in this complicated problem. Hunter numbers have been fairly consistent for 20 years but the increased use of tss likely means more success, in some states hard winters can be an issue as well, and access to land to hunt. I don’t think its a one size fits all. It is likely a different combination of factors state to state.
I know I enjoy turkey hunting a lot and want them around for future generations.
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