2026 SHOT SHOW releases

Matt5266 said:
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Wow that was hard to watch lol. Only question he could answer was the cost $1600 starting. Seems like a cool concept. Be interesting to see where it goes. He seems really unsure about alot. Feels like its still in its baby stages.
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Id hardly say this is fair everything Matt does has a reason. I dont alway agree with his reasoning but thats the same with every product. He knows his shit and why everything is the way it is. His bipod was clearly good enough to sell to MDT.

Id like to see you interviewed on video for one of the largest hunting forum organisers when you have flown from the other side of the world to a show to try sell something your invested large amounts of time into. Maybe you'd have a few nerves.

His indecision comes primarily being due to having to stock products in a foreign country whilst living in a non firearms friendly country whilst being effectively a 2 man band with a wife and young kids. I personally think he should just sell them at a stand lop and supply a kit to let people cut them down.

Hes built a chassis 2/3rds of the weight of a HNT26 with a stiffer foreend and a less clunky folder. Hes also pretty well known for revising designs on customer feedback of you want to know something or want to see something contact him its not particularly hard.
 
HighUintas said:
Very cool idea and glad they're doing it. Hopefully it will spur some mfg in the US to make similar designs. The downside in my opinion is aics mags for Tikka. Do people actually want to use those? I don't. Tikka mags are great. They could also simplify their Tikka skus by just going with one size, like Tikka , and use Tikka factory mags.
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Except that would require a complete change of the design as they have a different footprint. He could do it later but as a startup aics based is they best decision. Plus tikka mags are overpriced, especially here in NZ.
 
Leaf Litter said:
Designed obsolescence is the American way now. We don't make things to be good, we make things to break and be replaced to benefit only the manufacturer.
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When labradar released their first model people fawned over them and loved them then they didn't update it so people grew to hate them then Garmin released a chrono and people fawned over them and now they updated it and people hate them and....

I ain't going into the chrono business, that's for sure. Y'all hard to please.
 
Stocky said:
Id hardly say this is fair everything Matt does has a reason. I dont alway agree with his reasoning but thats the same with every product. He knows his shit and why everything is the way it is. His bipod was clearly good enough to sell to MDT.

Id like to see you interviewed on video for one of the largest hunting forum organisers when you have flown from the other side of the world to a show to try sell something your invested large amounts of time into. Maybe you'd have a few nerves.

His indecision comes primarily being due to having to stock products in a foreign country whilst living in a non firearms friendly country whilst being effectively a 2 man band with a wife and young kids. I personally think he should just sell them at a stand lop and supply a kit to let people cut them down.

Hes built a chassis 2/3rds of the weight of a HNT26 with a stiffer foreend and a less clunky folder. Hes also pretty well known for revising designs on customer feedback of you want to know something or want to see something contact him its not particularly hard.
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Sorry my opinion offended you. Maybe your friends as triggered as you are by my statement? It was still a little difficult to watch. I get all the nerves and being from a different country and what not, thats all fine. I dont care who you are, if your going to make a trip to shot show atleast have some general answers to questions, not just here's my stock guys. Everyone else does, seems like most the companies can answer questions about their products and release dates (Q1, Q2, etc.)they usually only struggle with giving a set price.

ALSO I never said anything bad about this or any of his products.
 
mistadventures said:
The problem with the 7BC is from its origin. Federal patented the case technology. The only reason Remington is able to provide ammo, is because its parent company owns both Federal & Remington Ammo. Thus allowing Remington to avoid patent infringement. Federal would have to drop all claims to the patent for BC to really have a chance. I've talked to a couple of ammo manufacturers and they both confirmed that right now the only people who will produce this ammo is companies that have access to Federal's patent. No other case manufacturer wants to produce it.

I did a lot of research on this cause I am in the middle of building a light weight hunting rifle. I wanted to build it on the 7BC but once you start digging in on the cartridge there's definitely a reason for caution on its longevity. Also when I reached out to a barrel manufacturer and did a little digging it seems that the BC comes from a military round that failed to get a contract. And Federal is pushing it on to us civilians to recoup their loss of investment. This is NOT 100% accurate just what I was able to determine myself from what I have access to information wise. Please do your own research into the case technology not just the cartridge. Federal themselves even stated when the 7mm BC was launched that it originally was not designed to be a 7mm. I am unclear if anyone ever got the original bullet diameter so can't say for sure what the parent is, but my guess would a 30 cal. As again from the info I have available to me is that it was originally supposed to be for machine guns, think m249 replacement.

I wish the best for 7mm BC as it would be a cool advancement in case technology. Just a lot of growing pains with that case tech right now that Federal needs to figure out if they want this to kick off like Hornady's 300, 7mm, & 6.5mm PRC.
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It is great to do the research, etc. A couple thoughts from my perspective...

I am not too concerned what it was originally designed for or what bullet...because by all accounts, it performs awesome.

As it relates to re-loading and ammo availability...for me personally, I have a 280ai with custom load development in a carbon stock with a 22" barrel. That is for the range and sage flats...deer sized game shooting a 162 ELD-X.

This is a folding chassis build for in the elk woods on multi day backpacking hunts. This rifle will likely see 20 or so rounds a year max. I can go out and buy plenty of ammo to last me if for some reason it becomes hard to find. I don't need to be able to re-load it.

Lastly...if it completely dies, I shoot my 500 rounds and can't find ammo...I order a new barrel in a different chamber and throw it on the action. This isn't a sports car I am going to own and pass down to my kids that will be worth 10 times as much as I paid and they need to find parts. This whole fear of "I think the cartridge might die" is so over blown. IMHO.
 
Remington92 said:
Doesn't the c1 currently have that?
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HuntHarder said:
Mine does, I thought maybe it was diffetent than what my V1 does.
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It appears with the C2, you can pause a string, start a new one with a different rifle, then return to the original rifle and continue recording shots for that same string, something the C1 doesn’t allow
 
mddat said:
It appears with the C2, you can pause a string, start a new one with a different rifle, then return to the original rifle and continue recording shots for that same string, something the C1 doesn’t allow
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Do we all really believe this has anything to do with the hardware? This all sounds 100% software based and they are using it as an excuse to try to get people to upgrade.
 
mistadventures said:
I also forgot to mention that, the reloading problems with this cartridge is also concerning. The number of people reporting broken dies or permanently stuck cases that I've seen/read/watched on vids is concerning. Dies while some what inexpensive is now becoming expensive due to replacement. I understand this maybe a mistake on the reloader but it doesn't seem to take much to have a problem vs brass.
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Yeah...I mean, the 7mm backcountry is a interesting concept in some ways. But I'm not really seeing anything amazing.

I can handload multiple 7mms to basically match the backcountry load data in speed and recoil in 175gr or smaller bullets.( or close enough not to notice real world). Not sure on the Berger 195.

The federal ammo at least on the box states higher velocity than anything they list in the reloading data.

The Remington website is claiming over 3000FPS from a 20" barrel (federal says 2975). Which would suggest some kind of not available to the public powder (or just lying on the speed). So we don't know what the actual charge is. So we don't really know what the recoil is. (unless someone has already done the data gathering).

Federals website says it produces a "calculated" recoil comparable to the 7mm PRC, 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag. Which is a pretty vague and potentially large window. However, it provides increased muzzle velocity without a proportionate increase in "felt" recoil.

By all accounts, while maybe it is technically a reloadable cartridge, it sounds like it takes alot of effort and most likely multiple attempts to actually resize the case. Which doesn't look good for reloading.

Anyway around it. We are most likely talking about something in the 65+ grain range for the factory ammo(might have to buy a box just to yank a bullet and weigh the charge). And as Federal themselves have said, this is magnum recoil, for magnum results....

Sooo.....yeah. To me this is nothing really groundbreaking...

Now, if someone is able to develop a powder that is frankly outside of current norms, that is able to really take advantage of this peak alloy case (10-15% at best recoil reduction while still being a very heavy recoil round isn't a game changer to me) you know if they can cut another 10+grains of powder and get similar results. Now they would be on to something.

Otherwise, it's just another option. Which is fine in of itself. Nothing wrong with options, but not groundbreaking.
 
streamerfish said:
Yeah...I mean, the 7mm backcountry is a interesting concept in some ways. But I'm not really seeing anything amazing.

I can handload multiple 7mms to basically match the backcountry load data in speed and recoil in 175gr or smaller bullets.( or close enough not to notice real world). Not sure on the Berger 195.

The federal ammo at least on the box states higher velocity than anything they list in the reloading data.

The Remington website is claiming over 3000FPS from a 20" barrel (federal says 2975). Which would suggest some kind of not available to the public powder (or just lying on the speed). So we don't know what the actual charge is. So we don't really know what the recoil is. (unless someone has already done the data gathering).

Federals website says it produces a "calculated" recoil comparable to the 7mm PRC, 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag. Which is a pretty vague and potentially large window. However, it provides increased muzzle velocity without a proportionate increase in "felt" recoil.

By all accounts, while maybe it is technically a reloadable cartridge, it sounds like it takes alot of effort and most likely multiple attempts to actually resize the case. Which doesn't look good for reloading.

Anyway around it. We are most likely talking about something in the 65+ grain range for the factory ammo(might have to buy a box just to yank a bullet and weigh the charge). And as Federal themselves have said, this is magnum recoil, for magnum results....

Sooo.....yeah. To me this is nothing really groundbreaking...

Now, if someone is able to develop a powder that is frankly outside of current norms, that is able to really take advantage of this peak alloy case (10-15% at best recoil reduction while still being a very heavy recoil round isn't a game changer to me) you know if they can cut another 10+grains of powder and get similar results. Now they would be on to something.

Otherwise, it's just another option. Which is fine in of itself. Nothing wrong with options, but not groundbreaking.
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This reads like you have done absolutely zero research and not watched any of the people providing actual real world speeds and shooting data from their testing. LOL. Please do not pass go...
 
streamerfish said:
Yeah...I mean, the 7mm backcountry is a interesting concept in some ways. But I'm not really seeing anything amazing.

I can handload multiple 7mms to basically match the backcountry load data in speed and recoil in 175gr or smaller bullets.( or close enough not to notice real world). Not sure on the Berger 195.

The federal ammo at least on the box states higher velocity than anything they list in the reloading data.

The Remington website is claiming over 3000FPS from a 20" barrel (federal says 2975). Which would suggest some kind of not available to the public powder (or just lying on the speed). So we don't know what the actual charge is. So we don't really know what the recoil is. (unless someone has already done the data gathering).

Federals website says it produces a "calculated" recoil comparable to the 7mm PRC, 300 win mag and 7mm rem mag. Which is a pretty vague and potentially large window. However, it provides increased muzzle velocity without a proportionate increase in "felt" recoil.

By all accounts, while maybe it is technically a reloadable cartridge, it sounds like it takes alot of effort and most likely multiple attempts to actually resize the case. Which doesn't look good for reloading.

Anyway around it. We are most likely talking about something in the 65+ grain range for the factory ammo(might have to buy a box just to yank a bullet and weigh the charge). And as Federal themselves have said, this is magnum recoil, for magnum results....

Sooo.....yeah. To me this is nothing really groundbreaking...

Now, if someone is able to develop a powder that is frankly outside of current norms, that is able to really take advantage of this peak alloy case (10-15% at best recoil reduction while still being a very heavy recoil round isn't a game changer to me) you know if they can cut another 10+grains of powder and get similar results. Now they would be on to something.

Otherwise, it's just another option. Which is fine in of itself. Nothing wrong with options, but not groundbreaking.
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Some body did a bullet pull on a case and it wasn't very easy to do so. I am unfamiliar with what that yielded, but Federal has already stated there factory offering is using a proprietary powder not available to consumers. The load data is using what is available to us and not achieving what they can. Similar to the 7mm PRC fiasco. The only reason they can claim less recoil and why it happens is because the speed is coming from pressure not propellant. Increasing pressure won't necessarily increase recoil like increasing powder does. Either way this technology is cool but doesn't really have a future with them having a patent on it. No room for competition to improve it or make it more cost effective.

Its why I decided in the end to go with a different cartridge when building my lightweight hunting rifle. Still waiting on the barrel and stock to come in though.
 
Matt5266 said:
Sorry my opinion offended you. Maybe your friends as triggered as you are by my statement? It was still a little difficult to watch. I get all the nerves and being from a different country and what not, thats all fine. I dont care who you are, if your going to make a trip to shot show atleast have some general answers to questions, not just here's my stock guys. Everyone else does, seems like most the companies can answer questions about their products and release dates (Q1, Q2, etc.)they usually only struggle with giving a set price.

ALSO I never said anything bad about this or any of his products.
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Yeh I know Matt.

But making some judgement about his knowledge from a couple minute video with a mic shoved in his face is a bit rough. Maybe I read too deep into "he seems unsure" and thats my bad if I did.

What did you find he was unsure about? Mostly the logistics of how to package it is what I saw.

Release dates are common if you don't want to frustrate people. He has an extra set of international logistics to deal with plus tariffs. Shit look at the certainty in the s2h scope endeavor. We dont know if its July or next year. Hes a consumer like the rest of us and likely sick of absolute bs dates being thrown out by companies (in NZ its worse as we often see products showing up once a replacement has come out from the manufacturer).

So maybe I read into it to much if thats the case I apologize but I invite you to call Matt post the show and talk to him and then tell me he doesnt know his product hes definitely more suited to explaining every little bit in intricate detail than concisely summing it up. Hes got full on engineers brain and can get lost in the weeds explaining every little bit like the little machined ramp to allow you to look into the bubble level whilst staying in the scope or why he has the I hate to say it but subjectively ugly skeltonised buttstock (foams heavy).
 
MtnHawker said:
I've seen quite a bit of 7bc interest after dies came out and people figured out it IS reloadable. If we get a few more budget rifle options I see it doing pretty well. The performance is there.
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New 110 Trail Blazer $720 msrp 7BC available in 20" or 16.5"
 
Stocky said:
Except that would require a complete change of the design as they have a different footprint. He could do it later but as a startup aics based is they best decision. Plus tikka mags are overpriced, especially here in NZ.
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Change of design? Different footprint? Tikka footprint is completely different from 700 so they have to have a separate mold anyway. Why not start with a standard Tikka mag mold. Then you likely open it up to a larger market. Only have to have one mold since the tika footprint uses both short and long mags, then you could add the aics mold later if people are requesting it. The only reason I can see for doing aics out the gate is because they've determined their primary market prefers aics with Tika and or doing an aics mold is easier than figuring out the Tikka mag mold.

When I have looked at aics mags for Tika stocks, they cost just as much as Tikka factory mags, and they are nearly always heavier and they always function without fiddling, with the exception of the 2235 round mag. As a mountain hunter concerned with weight, weight and function, I would go with the Tikka factory mags. No reason to add weight to an ultralight stock unless necessary
 
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