2025 - any new suppressors to hit the market?

[Formidilosus]

Thread on, non-reflex, large volume suppressors (insert manufacturer here).
I’m more familiar with the suppression and signature reduction, and the more recent push for flow through. My current job gives me a lot of access to industry to suit our specific needs (which admittedly is not hunting), but none of the current options we are exploring are reflex suppressors. The only system we have a reflex suppressor for is the m110, and that’s just legacy tech at this point.

If you have specifics that show reflex suppressors perform as well or better, happy to hear different for sure.

KAC’s M110 can is poor by modern standards. However, the OP’s Inc 12th model is one of the best gas gun cans ever made from a dB and tone perspective.

There’s nothing stopping a reflexed can from being as good or bad as any other can. No, total dB reduction with a reflex with 4” past muzzle and 4” over barrel won’t be as high as an 8” past muzzle can- but that’s not the purpose. An 8” reflex can (4/4) isn’t as “quiet” as an 8” standard can, but it is as quiet as a 6” can for example- while reducing OAL 2”- and the tone is better.

America is far behind the rest of the world in suppressors in everything but full auto use- and OTB cans dominate hunting rifles in most places for a reason.

 

[Formidilosus]

From having a raptor, the reflex does quiet it down, but it doesn’t seem efficient. Weight goes up fast. The reflex is 2-3x the weight as adding baffles. If you weigh a 8 stack with 3 or 5” reflex it’s heavier than a 10 stack no reflex yet performance is similar. The only advantage is that it’s shorter.

Yes, that’s the point. For the same dB reduction? Proper reflexed cans are shorter, better balance the rifle (less muzzle heavy), and sound better (tone).

I would like to see larger diameter and shorter as that adds way more volume. Not sure why there are few 1.75 or 2” cans. I really want a 10oz 45 cal rifle can, but that doesn’t seem to exist yet.

Because a 2” can shows up obnoxiously (to most people) in your FOV through the scope. Super fat cans have their place, but not for the vast majority of hunters or hunting rifles.

 

[Ajsomp]

KAC’s M110 can is poor by modern standards. However, the OP’s Inc 12th model is one of the best gas gun cans ever made from a dB and tone perspective.

There’s nothing stopping a reflexed can from being as good or bad as any other can. No, total dB reduction with a reflex with 4” past muzzle and 4” over barrel won’t be as high as an 8” past muzzle can- but that’s not the purpose. An 8” reflex can (4/4) isn’t as “quiet” as an 8” standard can, but it is as quiet as a 6” can for example- while reducing OAL 2”- and the tone is better.

America is far behind the rest of the world in suppressors in everything but full auto use- and OTB cans dominate hunting rifles in most places for a reason.

Agreed. Suppressors or “moderators” are certainly more prevalent elsewhere because they are more common and associated with hunting, and can be bought over the counter without the same restrictions we have. A lot of our tech is biased towards what gov has asked for. Hunting with a suppressor in the states, while more common now, is still very sparse so most manufacturers aren’t orienting themselves to that market.

I can’t see myself voluntarily hunting without a suppressor, and certainly everyone I hunt with has moved that way. But people need to keep hunt with suppressors to make the market the same in the U.S.

 

[clperry]

Over the barrel, 4 inches added OAL. 10’ish ounces. Very good tone.

What diameter barrel will it accommodate?


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[Ajsomp]

Interesting consideration. I say the following out of genuine curiosity: I wonder if there are any examples of a suppressor having a positive impact on groups in one application and a negative in the other. Like results that more than one person repeated on more than one occasion.

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I think @Formidilosus has shown that certain suppressors (DD) don’t want to group. And when you stick a different suppressor on the gun groups just fine.

Notionally I have also seen guns shoot pretty poorly unsuppressed - only to shoot lights out with the suppressor. My theory is barrel harmonics but I’m it an engineer so it’s only speculative.

 

[MattiG]

I think @Formidilosus has shown that certain suppressors (DD) don’t want to group. And when you stick a different suppressor on the gun groups just fine.

Notionally I have also seen guns shoot pretty poorly unsuppressed - only to shoot lights out with the suppressor. My theory is barrel harmonics but I’m it an engineer so it’s only speculative.

Yeah, I was thinking more like an individual suppressor that made things better on one gun, but worse on another.

I agree on the suppressor making some guns night and day.

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[khuber84]

I think @Formidilosus has shown that certain suppressors (DD) don’t want to group. And when you stick a different suppressor on the gun groups just fine.

Notionally I have also seen guns shoot pretty poorly unsuppressed - only to shoot lights out with the suppressor. My theory is barrel harmonics but I’m it an engineer so it’s only speculative.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but my 3 different DD cans all shoot great, no first round poi oddities. I did do load dev with a dedicated suppressor and that's the only can put on that rifle. I do get poi/zero changes by using a different DD can on that barrel, but accuracy is still sub moa.

I am looking forward to seeing new options brought forth at shot show.

 

[Bb007]

The real question for me is: is there anything noticeably quieter/lighter than what I already have? After setting my ultra 7, lti and scythe, I just sort of lost interest in shopping for silencers. Is there anything coming out that’s going to be an honest upgrade or addition to what I have.

CAT

 

[kswaterfowl]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but my 3 different DD cans all shoot great, no first round poi oddities. I did do load dev with a dedicated suppressor and that's the only can put on that rifle. I do get poi/zero changes by using a different DD can on that barrel, but accuracy is still sub moa.

I am looking forward to seeing new options brought forth at shot show.

Yeah, no problems here with my DD wolfhunter. It's minute of a coyotes forehead at 200 yards.

 

[HandgunHTR]

I am interested to see what UM is coming out with. The guys have hinted at it on the podcast a couple of times now.

I am pretty sure I am going to pick up a Dead Air Nomad Ti XC, but I may be in the mood for another one, especially if it is a solid OTB can.

 

[goathunter]

KAC’s M110 can is poor by modern standards. However, the OP’s Inc 12th model is one of the best gas gun cans ever made from a dB and tone perspective.

There’s nothing stopping a reflexed can from being as good or bad as any other can. No, total dB reduction with a reflex with 4” past muzzle and 4” over barrel won’t be as high as an 8” past muzzle can- but that’s not the purpose. An 8” reflex can (4/4) isn’t as “quiet” as an 8” standard can, but it is as quiet as a 6” can for example- while reducing OAL 2”- and the tone is better.

America is far behind the rest of the world in suppressors in everything but full auto use- and OTB cans dominate hunting rifles in most places for a reason.

4" past the muzzle would be awesome