20 degree bag

[cshore93]

Hey guys. I used a 0 degree kelty cosmic down sleeping bag this year and it was awesome. I paired it with a Hilleberg Nallo 3 GT. I am all about saving space and cutting weight. I plan on changing to a tipi w/ stove this year for my shelter. I'm assuming i'll be plenty warm if I downsize to a 20 degree to save some space and a pound or 2.

What do you all think?

Also, the Hilly is for sale if anyone wants it!

 

[Tsnider]

as you will find if you do any research about these stoves, they only burn 15-30 minutes tops. so depending on what temps you will be in, you might rethink that.

my seekoutside medium was delivered last night and it burned for about an hour when packed with wood, but that was super dense wood and at 6000ft elevation, so going up 5 thousand more feet im sure will impact it dramatically.

 

[Beendare]

Yep,^^^^ don't count on that stove for long burn times.

Careful with the rating on those cheap bags. I have a 20 deg Kelty down bag [about 20 yrs old] that was good to maybe 45 deg....and i'm a warm sleeper!

 

[oldgoat]

What time of year and where are you hunting? How available is fire wood? What happens if you don't have dry firewood? I would use existing bag and leave it unzipped a little. I will say, having a bag that is warm already when you get in it because of the stove goes a long way towards keeping warm for the night. Having a second bag though at a different temp rating isn't all that bad of idea. This year or 15° bags were fine, where as last year they could be a little cold! Just depends on the weather and if you don't mind walking up every couple of hours to stoke the fire or packing in warm sleeping clothes etc..

 

[cshore93]

as you will find if you do any research about these stoves, they only burn 15-30 minutes tops. so depending on what temps you will be in, you might rethink that.

my seekoutside medium was delivered last night and it burned for about an hour when packed with wood, but that was super dense wood and at 6000ft elevation, so going up 5 thousand more feet im sure will impact it dramatically.

I didn't realize how short the burn time was. However, I don't mind stoking the fire at night. I'll have a buddy who can help.

 

[cshore93]

What time of year and where are you hunting? How available is fire wood? What happens if you don't have dry firewood? I would use existing bag and leave it unzipped a little. I will say, having a bag that is warm already when you get in it because of the stove goes a long way towards keeping warm for the night. Having a second bag though at a different temp rating isn't all that bad of idea. This year or 15° bags were fine, where as last year they could be a little cold! Just depends on the weather and if you don't mind walking up every couple of hours to stoke the fire or packing in warm sleeping clothes etc..

Hopefully Colorado 1st season and if not then probably 2nd or 3rd. I am looking at the seek outside 4 man tipi with a medium stove. I think I'll like being able to stand up and get dressed. Also not having to worry about hitting top of the tent and having condensation get everywhere.

 

[welpro222]

Yeah I treat my stove as a quick warm up or dry off only.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

You likely could get through second rifle with a 20deg (layer up if it gets colder). Its rarer that it goes artic then, but 3rd rifle can see some cold patterns move through. A better down bag will keep you at that 0-10deg mark while still dropping a couple pounds (that kelty is listed at almost 5lb!). But a decent 20deg bag, layers and shivering a night away (or stoking the stove) will keep you around for another day if the cold rolls through. Definitely can find some decent down and synthetic bags that don't break the bank that are 2.5lb or less.

 

[oldgoat]

The bigger the stove, the longer the burn time, my cylinder burns noticeably longer than my box stove and unless you are dead set on cooking on the stove,i recommend a cylinder, lighter, cheaper and longer burn. Plus the longer the stove body, the easier it is to break sticks down into the length you need. I had no issue this last season stomping fuel into submission, some of it the diameter of my wrist or better. I hear you can increase the burn time by using a baffle in the burn chamber, but I haven't tried it yet! My first year hunting here in 2nd rifle season, I had short sleeve on in the morning hunt and was in blizzard conditions in the afternoon, just for info sake.

 

[cshore93]

The bigger the stove, the longer the burn time, my cylinder burns noticeably longer than my box stove and unless you are dead set on cooking on the stove,i recommend a cylinder, lighter, cheaper and longer burn. Plus the longer the stove body, the easier it is to break sticks down into the length you need. I had no issue this last season stomping fuel into submission, some of it the diameter of my wrist or better. I hear you can increase the burn time by using a baffle in the burn chamber, but I haven't tried it yet! My first year hunting here in 2nd rifle season, I had short sleeve on in the morning hunt and was in blizzard conditions in the afternoon, just for info sake.

No cooking on the stove for me. So I'll probably go with the cylinder. Do you have any suggestions for bags?

 

[steveo]

I have a marmot hydrogen 15 degree down bag and have had it at 18 degrees with no problems. Weight very little and compresses very small.
The main reason I post is to suggest a 6 or 8 man tipi. Weight difference isnt that great and the room is wonderful.

 

[Tsnider]

i know it wasnt directed at me, but ive had solid luck with Big Agnes. i really like their sleeping pad sleeve system. i would like to switch to a enlightened equipment quilt because i read very few cases of people not liking them, but my big agnes still works great even after it spent a few years improperly stored. didnt know any better at the time.

 

[cshore93]

i know it wasnt directed at me, but ive had solid luck with Big Agnes. i really like their sleeping pad sleeve system. i would like to switch to a enlightened equipment quilt because i read very few cases of people not liking them, but my big agnes still works great even after it spent a few years improperly stored. didnt know any better at the time.

Thanks for the input. I didnt mean for it to just be directed at him!

 

[ianpadron]

Get a 0 degree quilt! Mine weighs less than 2 lbs and it is toasty without a stove no matter what.

 

[cshore93]

Get a 0 degree quilt! Mine weighs less than 2 lbs and it is toasty without a stove no matter what.

What brand are you running? Sounds interesting

 

[ianpadron]

What brand are you running? Sounds interesting

Enlightened Equipment. Underground Quilts also makes nice ones from what I've heard

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[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

No cooking on the stove for me. So I'll probably go with the cylinder. Do you have any suggestions for bags?

Any of the nicer 850fill or better down bags will do your right in terms of weight. If you want to save coin and cut costs there are some synthetic ones that look interesting too. Marmot cloudbreak clocks in under 3lb for the 20deg and 2lb for the 30deg. The eddiebaurer ignitor bags used climashield insulation (which folks like to use in synthetic quilts), the 20deg weighs 2lb-7oz; one sale at the moment, fyi.

 

[Northernpiker]

The pad you use under your bag is very a very important also. I slept with a cheap foam pad and got cold at night then switched to a reliable 2.5 inch thick air pad and was very comfortable with the same temperatures.

 

[oldgoat]

Big Agnes and Q core insulated pad, it's far from the lightest, but I bet it's the most comfortable! The pad will work with other bags and they have some new models that are lighter.

 

[rklein]

Get a pad with a high R-Value. Thermarest Neoair X-Therm(not x-lite) is the ticket for me. 14 ounce pad for a 5.7 R value. This made a bigger difference for me than an expensive bag. You lose more heat through a shitty pad to the cold ground than you think. Once you lay down on your sleeping bag it doesn't matter how much down you have if its all compressed under you. That's a big reason why a bunch of these guys are now running quilts.