1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Who's got Springfield EMP experience, particularly in the 4" format?

Held one and dry fired it today at a local shop. It felt nice in the hand and the texture was great. However the trigger felt heavy & not very nice. The thumb safety didn’t feel very positive. For $700 price tag on it, I bet you could replace some parts, do some fitting and make it usable.

 

[Firth]

Tisas still a favorite for a starter 9mm 1911? Any other favorites worth considering? I know nothing about 1911 beyond what I've read here. Any reason not to go full size if I just plan to shoot at a range?

I've wanted to pick one up for a while, is there anything I should keep in mind when looking? It sounds like single stack is preferred for shootability and bobtails are bad. How about sights? Anything to look for there? Ideally, I'd put an optic on it, which I assume would mean getting the slide cut.

Let me know if I've said something dumb so I can sort it out before I spend money.

 

[Eleven]

Anyone used the girsan influencer x? Not exactly what I’m looking for but I have an opportunity to get one at a really great deal.

 

[Dave0317]

You have any experience with those?

No experience with it. I’ve just been shopping 1911s and some that I like only come in bobtail, so I stumbled across that as a possible fix.

EGW has a good reputation as a quality 1911 parts manufacturer though.

 

[Formidilosus]

For those looking for dot’s on 1911’s. A good company is getting setup with Aimpoint to offer slide cutting services for the COA. I’ve had several ask about it, just letting people that it won’t be long.

 

[WhoGarrDen]

Got to handle a Stacatto DS and a Stacatto C (single stack) today and out some rounds down range. In my smaller hands (perfectly average, my wife assures) the C felt perfect. Having held and fired several DS now, I'm pretty sold on sticking with singles going forward. When at the range, I actually prefer to only load 5 rounds in each magazine anyway to get more mag change practice. Is this hurting me by building "muscle memory" of working with a less-than full magazine and building a cadence on 5 rounds when I'll never be carrying that way in the field?

 

[Axlrod]

Unlike attaching a suppressor to a rifle, they change the recoil dynamics quite a bit, making them useless for training. That's completely separate from the holster usage. They also add so much length beyond your hands that in a house you might as well be using a carbine. And they can be especially difficult to get a 1911 running reliably with, for a number of reasons. Any time you'd need a suppressed weapon, a suppressed centerfire pistol is just about the last one you'd choose.

Thaank you! Saved me some money, I was looking at getting my first pistol can. Obviously the people that sell them, don't tell you this.
I have a friend that has a .45 sub gun full auto w/ can. It is totally useless, but fun as hell to shoot.

 

[Dave0317]

Thaank you! Saved me some money, I was looking at getting my first pistol can. Obviously the people that sell them, don't tell you this.
I have a friend that has a .45 sub gun full auto w/ can. It is totally useless, but fun as hell to shoot.

Man, that’s the part of the gun industry that bugs me. Unfortunately it’s a huge portion of it in reality. For a lot of people guns are just another form of toy. Kind of like a nice watch, a motorcycle, sports cars, etc.

So that part of the industry will convince people 1911s are completely obsolete, push polymer pistols for a few years, but then turn around and push 2011s and 1911s again. Same with ARs. Direct gas was lame and pistons were a huge leap forward. Then people started pointing out how technically DI actually has less moving parts and less failure points. So now pistons aren’t pushed as much.

The Facebook groups titled stuff like “staccato owners group” or Kimber 2k11 owners group also show you where most people are really at. I once shared a link of Kyle Defoor talking about he shot x thousands of rounds through a staccato with no cleaning and all the comments were like “what an idiot”. “Why would someone do that”. “That’s abuse to such a nice gun”. Lol. They might break down and cry if they see the winter rifle test or the scope drop tests here.

A lot more collectors in the world than shooters.

 

[RockAndSage]

A lot more collectors in the world than shooters.

This is one of the most true things ever posted on here. For some of those guys, it's like watching them judge a knight by how pretty, shiny, and undented his armor is.

 

[solarshooter]

Seems like a suppressed subsonic 9mm would be extremely shootable, no? Yes different and less nimble to handle, but also less recoil, concussion, muzzle flip? Maybe Unknown Suppressors can make a really good one...

 

[rbutcher1234]

Seems like a suppressed subsonic 9mm would be extremely shootable, no? Yes different and less nimble to handle, but also less recoil, concussion, muzzle flip? Maybe Unknown Suppressors can make a really good one...

For me, the primarily purpose of a pistol is that it’s easy and unobtrusive/small to carry. A suppressor defeats that selling point.

If I don’t care about small, unobtrusive, and out of the way, then I would use a terminally better gun than a pistol (10.3” suppressed ar15)

 

[solarshooter]

For me, the primarily purpose of a pistol is that it’s easy and unobtrusive/small to carry. A suppressor defeats that selling point.

If I don’t care about small, unobtrusive, and out of the way, then I would use a terminally better gun than a pistol (10.3” suppressed ar15)

I hear you. But a full size pistol with a suppressor is still much smaller and lighter than a small AR. And if you want to shoot subsonic, is arguably a better packaging of a more terminally effective cartridge (vs. 300BLK or something like that). I also don't know how suppressed pistols are usually carried, but likely still much less obtrusive than an AR.

 

[Escalante11]

For me, the primarily purpose of a pistol is that it’s easy and unobtrusive/small to carry. A suppressor defeats that selling point.

If I don’t care about small, unobtrusive, and out of the way, then I would use a terminally better gun than a pistol (10.3” suppressed ar15)

I shot a P365 with one of SAW Shiv on it the other day. It was ridiculous, in a good way.

I've always hated cans on pistols as the balance sucks, and the suppression they've offered just wasn't worth it. That is until now, this can has me rethinking my whole take on suppressors on pistols.. It suppressed the pistol MUCH better than cans twice its weight and length.

They also have a ridiculously small .22 and 5.7 can called the KLIK 22 but I've never used one. I've been trying to get my hands on one for a few months now but it's hard. They don't advertise them on their website but sale them through preferred vendors. I believe it's 1 3/8" long and 1.5 ounces. Reviews are great!

 

[RockAndSage]

I hear you. But a full size pistol with a suppressor is still much smaller and lighter than a small AR. And if you want to shoot subsonic, is arguably a better packaging of a more terminally effective cartridge (vs. 300BLK or something like that). I also don't know how suppressed pistols are usually carried, but likely still much less obtrusive than an AR.

This is pretty common and understandable thinking, until someone spends time doing a lot of shooting and especially training with suppressed pistols and alternatives - evaluating each for its utility for a given job. The thinking ahead and thinking through the various options and scenarios that impact a decision for one tool vs another.

At the core of it all is - what exactly are you selecting a tool and training for? As in, what specific use-case would you want an "unobtrusive", suppressed gun at all?

Especially where unobtrusive is a superior use or survival requirement over the value of superior terminal effects? Especially when subsonic rifle rounds are usually far more devastating than subsonic pistol, given their heavy-for-caliber and subsonic-specific construction designs, and what happens on impact with them compared to pistol bullets.

Within all this, does unobtrusive include needing the pistol to be suppressed already, or are we talking assembling the two parts only when ready to use?

Also, when would unobtrusive be superior to the shootability and ability to hit more accurately that comes with shoulder-mounted guns?

All this, where sound-suppression also isn't important enough to warrant subsonic rimfire, which is a lot quieter?

Exactly what scenario do all those requirements come together to argue for the superior choice being a suppressed centerfire pistol?

There are some exceedingly narrow, specific jobs that may warrant that, none of which are legal or advisable unless covered by Title 50 protections. And even then, in reality, there are vanishingly few, given the broad suite of options available to solve those types of problems.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Shameless plug incoming... For guys looking for a great 1911 in .45, I have one priced to move in the classifieds. It came loaded from Springfield in the late 90s with a bunch of upgrades, and I've swapped for the mil-spec plug and springs per Form's recommendations. I also installed an ambi-safety and Wilson Combat front strap for better grip.
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/pair-of-45s-for-sale.446782/

 

[rbutcher1234]

I hear you. But a full size pistol with a suppressor is still much smaller and lighter than a small AR. And if you want to shoot subsonic, is arguably a better packaging of a more terminally effective cartridge (vs. 300BLK or something like that). I also don't know how suppressed pistols are usually carried, but likely still much less obtrusive than an AR.

Compare the following:

How much distance beyond your body does a suppressed pistol protrude when you are in a shooting stance?

Vs

How much distance beyond your body does a suppressed 10.3” AR15 protrude in a shooting stance?

They are more or less functionally the same

 

[Bc45]

Has anyone tried one of these from Amazon? It’s cheap and has decent reviews debating trying it for fun.
https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-T...e&keywords=1911+holster&qid=1777925933&sr=8-3

 

[Formidilosus]

Has anyone tried one of these from Amazon? It’s cheap and has decent reviews debating trying it for fun.
https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-T...e&keywords=1911+holster&qid=1777925933&sr=8-3

I was looking at versions of those from Etsy. Haven’t used one however.

 

[Billogna]

I was looking at versions of those from Etsy. Haven’t used one however.

I have one from Etsy GB Holster Co. Needed a few days of break in. Not bad for the price but it really needs a reinforcement piece added around the mouth and I'd like if the sweat guard was just a little taller. Might be something I try to modify myself.

 

[Billogna]

Has anyone tried one of these from Amazon? It’s cheap and has decent reviews debating trying it for fun.
https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-T...e&keywords=1911+holster&qid=1777925933&sr=8-3

Only thing is I can't see if the leather is chrome tanned or vegetable tanned. Chrome is a no go that can cause corrosion.