1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[Steve300xcw]

Any training concerns going from a Glock to never shooting a 1911 variant? Besides just getting used to a safety?

Scheels has Staccato HD's in stock plus a 200 dollar gift card deal going right now.

I'd probably trade my G34 towards it.

But being a Glock guy I can't see the big difference besides the ease of using Glock bags between a newer made Springfield Prodigy and the HD P4. Can someone break it down for me?

Plan would be to appendix carry it and for the money it'd almost replace my XMacro as my edc.

Plastic to a 1911 should be easy enough.

My only issues have been when I threw a cz with a decocker into the mix

 

[Sponge]

Diagnostic request for the 1911 crew-
I have a Smith and Wesson SW1911 45 ACP, 2004-ish production. Unsure of round count, <3000?

I'm getting this FTE every 50-100 rounds on the last round with mag inserted. Sometimes it hangs on the slide, and sometimes rebounds a little and jams the mag and needs to be pried out.

All shooting with Wilson Combat 8rd mags, appears to happen independent of the individual magazine used. mags are clean.

My theories:
Bad ammo - I'm mostly shooting old gun show Georgia Arms reman'd 230 gr stuff - I was given a bunch of this stuff, and if this is the consequence for free, I'll suffer that for range use.
Extractor - I'm not exactly sure how this should interact with the case, I've done some googling and reading, but IDK how applicable the tuning info in this thread and other sources applies to an external extractor.
Ejection without mag inserted is soft with the case going directly up 1-2 feet and falling back on the gun or nearby. Ejection with mag inserted is strong with cases falling back and right 5-ish feet.
I can get a picture of an empty case on the slide later if that helps.
Lube - seems to do this less often when freshly lubed, however, he picture above is ~150 rounds after a fresh application of Hoppes grease on all surfaces.
Limp wrist - I keep a strong and firm grip, but the occasion limp wrist may exacerbate the other issues. again, only happens last round with mag inserted.
Springs - an unknown. round count is unknown, but presumed to be 3000 or less

As an aside, I plan to get some additional mags, was going to get MecGars 8 rounders unless persuaded not to. Also, any advice or preference on 10 rounders?

 

[RockAndSage]

Lube - seems to do this less often when freshly lubed, however, he picture above is ~150 rounds after a fresh application of Hoppes grease on all surfaces.

Failures to eject as you describe, including with that casing getting smashed up, are most typically the result of the slide velocity going backwards being too slow. In a factory gun, that's most often an indicator of excessive friction between the moving parts, but can also be from the thumb riding the slide a bit, and limp-wristing, as you mentioned. In custom or tuned guns, it's most commonly from excessive spring power.

In a way, diagnosing weapon malfunctions is similar to diagnosing a car that won't start - always begin with the simplest things first. As in, starting with battery issues before concluding the starter needs to be replaced.

In otherwise good guns, as long as ammo and mags are good, about 90% of mechanical malfunctions are due to excessive friction - which means, insufficient lubrication. You've pretty much ruled out the magazine issue. On ammo, that could definitely be part of the problem, and hotter ammo might cause the problem to go away for higher round-counts - because hotter ammo leads to increased slide velocities. But you can also get increased slide velocities by reducing friction.

If you look at other comments I've made above, lightweight greases offer maximum reliability for the longest courses of fire, without cleaning or relubing. You can homebrew some up, you can use TW25b, or you can go with a cherry balms grease. All of those will work. But if you want maximum friction reduction, go with the cherry balms black rifle balm for this. It reduces friction to a greater degree than the others - I've seen it cause limp-wristing problems to disappear entirely, with women shooting heavily-sprung sub-compact .45s. I typically go anywhere from 2500 to 3000 rounds on one application in my Staccato C, DWX Compact, and ARs with it, as long as its applied heavy, and they're still generally chugging along when I add a bit more or decide to break them down, clean, etc. If you homebrew, try to find a moly grease (they're usually blackish in color), as that moly additive reduces friction further than greases without it.

 

[TradLife406]

So I've spent several hours on YouTube and doing research on various double stack 1911 9's.

I'm pretty well set on a Kimber 2k11 pro comp 4.25". Price ain't bad either. I mean sure it's like 5 or 6 Glocks bbbuttt dang it looks sexy!

Apparently Kimber is under new ownership and they no longer have QC issues.

I was really looking at the Staccado HD P4 but apparently the guide rod rattles around. Is this true?
Is there another Staccato model that's in that 2500 range? Going to check their site in the am for their bargain bin. But pretty sure I'm going to the Kimber.

Also looked into the Prodigy. The newer gen's seem to be very very good for their cheaper price tag. But they're kind of like a Glock, you buy them then spend a few hundred to make them the way you want.

Stealth Arms Platypus has holster availability issues. So that's a non starter. If I can't get a Tier 1 for it I don't want it.

Don't really want to go turkey made even though they're really good.

I will say after all the research I appreciate how simple Glocks are Especially taking them apart.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I will say after all the research I appreciate how simple Glocks are

Especially taking them apart.

Honestly 2011s aren't horribly complex. I just got a CZ Shadow 2 and my Sig P211 is quite user friendly in comparison.

 

[cubdriver84d]

So I've spent several hours on YouTube and doing research on various double stack 1911 9's.

I'm pretty well set on a Kimber 2k11 pro comp 4.25". Price ain't bad either. I mean sure it's like 5 or 6 Glocks bbbuttt dang it looks sexy!

Apparently Kimber is under new ownership and they no longer have QC issues.

I was really looking at the Staccado HD P4 but apparently the guide rod rattles around. Is this true?
Is there another Staccato model that's in that 2500 range? Going to check their site in the am for their bargain bin. But pretty sure I'm going to the Kimber.

Also looked into the Prodigy. The newer gen's seem to be very very good for their cheaper price tag. But they're kind of like a Glock, you buy them then spend a few hundred to make them the way you want.

Stealth Arms Platypus has holster availability issues. So that's a non starter. If I can't get a Tier 1 for it I don't want it.

Don't really want to go turkey made even though they're really good.

I will say after all the research I appreciate how simple Glocks are Especially taking them apart.

If your budget is $2500, why not a staccato c?

 

[Colby]

So I've spent several hours on YouTube and doing research on various double stack 1911 9's.

I'm pretty well set on a Kimber 2k11 pro comp 4.25". Price ain't bad either. I mean sure it's like 5 or 6 Glocks bbbuttt dang it looks sexy!

Apparently Kimber is under new ownership and they no longer have QC issues.

I was really looking at the Staccado HD P4 but apparently the guide rod rattles around. Is this true?
Is there another Staccato model that's in that 2500 range? Going to check their site in the am for their bargain bin. But pretty sure I'm going to the Kimber.

Also looked into the Prodigy. The newer gen's seem to be very very good for their cheaper price tag. But they're kind of like a Glock, you buy them then spend a few hundred to make them the way you want.

Stealth Arms Platypus has holster availability issues. So that's a non starter. If I can't get a Tier 1 for it I don't want it.

Don't really want to go turkey made even though they're really good.

I will say after all the research I appreciate how simple Glocks are Especially taking them apart.

I bought the 5” version of that Kimber a few weeks ago, I’m getting close to 1000 rounds through it and it has been problem free.
I got mine off euro optic for sub $2000.

 

[Dobermann]

Apparently Kimber is under new ownership and they no longer have QC issues.

Is it new ownership, or just new management?

To be fair, I haven't bothered to do a web search to find this out ... but the only references I've heard are people referring to new management. Would be interesting to see if new owners as well - and why they might have had an interest in turning Kimber around. (We know about the old leadership ... which was apparently a SIGnificant part of the problem ...)

 

[TradLife406]

Well let's see how much better this is than my Glock

Pretty good price and figured I'd support a Rokslide friendly company.

I guess out of the gate I need to strap to a shorter trigger shoe for my tiny hands. Then I need a Dawson sight plate.

 

[TradLife406]

Picked her up this morning and ran 380'isn rounds through her with zero flaws.

First time shooting any sort of 1911.

One of the concerns I saw when looking at the Kimbers the C&H plates that came with the gun. Kimber must have listened because mine came with a Tag brand plate.

Other issue I knew about from YouTube was the mag release is stiff. Not sure if there's a fix for that or just needs to be used more.

I will be buying a smaller grip for it. I have really small hands. So I need something that's as slim as possible.
Also already have a shorter trigger shoe coming that will help that too.

As far as shooting it goes, it was mind blowing. First shot was an X at 10 yards. The new SRO was dead nuts on!

It's crazy how much more consistent I am with this thing vs any other pistol. It was child's play to shoot tiny groups. Velo can sized group at 10-15 yards with no crazy wtfs.

The trigger is epic. But to be fair I can only compare it to a higher end Glock after market.

The comp is great!!! I shot at the indoor range so I couldn't shoot more than two double taps. But it was so easy to stay on target and get off two accurate shots. I'll run her out side next weekend and have some real fun. But the comp didn't seem super loud or annoying at all. But switching to my G19 I could definitely feel the difference it makes in muzzle rise.

I don't think I made a bad purchase at all. Just need to maybe change the mag release spring and the grip. And trigger shoe.

Highly recommend

 

[Formidilosus]

Picked her up this morning and ran 380'isn rounds through her with zero flaws.

First time shooting any sort of 1911.

One of the concerns I saw when looking at the Kimbers the C&H plates that came with the gun. Kimber must have listened because mine came with a Tag brand plate.

Other issue I knew about from YouTube was the mag release is stiff. Not sure if there's a fix for that or just needs to be used more.

I will be buying a smaller grip for it. I have really small hands. So I need something that's as slim as possible.
Also already have a shorter trigger shoe coming that will help that too.

As far as shooting it goes, it was mind blowing. First shot was an X at 10 yards. The new SRO was dead nuts on!

It's crazy how much more consistent I am with this thing vs any other pistol. It was child's play to shoot tiny groups. Velo can sized group at 10-15 yards with no crazy wtfs.

The trigger is epic. But to be fair I can only compare it to a higher end Glock after market.

The comp is great!!! I shot at the indoor range so I couldn't shoot more than two double taps. But it was so easy to stay on target and get off two accurate shots. I'll run her out side next weekend and have some real fun. But the comp didn't seem super loud or annoying at all. But switching to my G19 I could definitely feel the difference it makes in muzzle rise.

I don't think I made a bad purchase at all. Just need to maybe change the mag release spring and the grip. And trigger shoe.

Highly recommend

There really aren’t any smaller grips- 2011’s are just fat. The short trigger will help a bunch.

On the mag release…. Use your man hands. grin

 

[JohnJohnson]

Trying out some edge grips for my P211 just to see how they feel. Will report back once I do a range session with them but that'll likely be a couple weeks. The texture is 32 grit and they're sized specifically for my hands so the fit is great as expected. For only $75 I figured why not?

 

[43.6N]

Does anybody know when Springfield 1911’s will be available with the COA? I know it was announced at shot show, but didn't catch their release date.

 

[cubdriver84d]

Sportsman’s has the Hammerli 1911 22s on sale. Pretty tempted.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Does anybody know when Springfield 1911’s will be available with the COA? I know it was announced at shot show, but didn't catch their release date.

Coa still seems to be unobtainium in practical terms. Even if you buy one I haven't found a Smith who will do the cut on anything other than a Glock. Super annoying.