1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[ResearchinStuff]

Does anybody know when Springfield 1911’s will be available with the COA? I know it was announced at shot show, but didn't catch their release date.

Coa still seems to be unobtainium in practical terms. Even if you buy one I haven't found a Smith who will do the cut on anything other than a Glock. Super annoying.

 

[RWT]

Picked up a Tisas DS 4.25 gen 2 used this week for a very reasonable price. Shot it today. Trigger was terrible compared to to the single stack model. Looking to improve the trigger. UTube states the easiest is to reduce the main spring to 19lbs. Is this recommended or will it impact reliability?

If. It is recommended what manufacturers are suggested?

 

[Eleven]

“Trigger was terrible… will a lighter main spring help?” Is a big question. Can you narrow down what you mean by ‘terrible’? Describe it a little?

A 1911 trigger is complex. It could be a lot of things.

 

[RWT]

“Trigger was terrible… will a lighter main spring help?” Is a big question. Can you narrow down what you mean by ‘terrible’? Describe it a little?

A 1911 trigger is complex. It could be a lot of things.

Literally felt like the safety was on for 2 full mags. To compare I have 2 staccato,’s sti guardian and a a Tisas full size single stack all in 9mm. The STI has the best trigger followed by the Staccato then the Tisas. The Tisas is grittier and has a heavier pull but is low enough that it is similar to my single six Ruger revolvers. This DS Tisas felt like the safety was on. My trigger scale has it at 5lbs and it feels crisp with minimal take up when empty. Loaded it is different story. You can feel a definite wall that you have to break through. The STI &Staccatos are touch it and go. Much less effort and thought with the more expensive guns.

This will be a truck gun but I would like the trigger to be “similar” to the others. I am not expecting the same level or precision. I would like to see if I can improve the TDS trigger from where it is with a lighter pull.

 

[TradLife406]

There really aren’t any smaller grips- 2011’s are just fat. The short trigger will help a bunch.

On the mag release…. Use your man hands. grin

Order a MJD Villain grip. We'll see if it helps a little.

 

[Formidilosus]

Order a MJD Villain grip. We'll see if it helps a little.

Yeah, they’re maybe a touch better.

 

[Eleven]

Literally felt like the safety was on for 2 full mags. To compare I have 2 staccato,’s sti guardian and a a Tisas full size single stack all in 9mm. The STI has the best trigger followed by the Staccato then the Tisas. The Tisas is grittier and has a heavier pull but is low enough that it is similar to my single six Ruger revolvers. This DS Tisas felt like the safety was on. My trigger scale has it at 5lbs and it feels crisp with minimal take up when empty. Loaded it is different story. You can feel a definite wall that you have to break through. The STI &Staccatos are touch it and go. Much less effort and thought with the more expensive guns.

This will be a truck gun but I would like the trigger to be “similar” to the others. I am not expecting the same level or precision. I would like to see if I can improve the TDS trigger from where it is with a lighter pull.

The fact that the trigger pull changes when it is loaded is a bit interesting. Lock the slide back on an empty weapon, look to see if the disconnector or the trigger bow are protruding into the mag channel. Also check with the slide fully forward (you’ll obviously need a light).

 

[RWT]

The fact that the trigger pull changes when it is loaded is a bit interesting. Lock the slide back on an empty weapon, look to see if the disconnector or the trigger bow are protruding into the mag channel. Also check with the slide fully forward (you’ll obviously need a light).

Verified the spring is not protruding into the mag well.
I did compare the Staccato C trigger pull (5 pulls avg 2.7 ) to the TDS pull (5 pulls avg 4.11).

 

[RockAndSage]

Verified the spring is not protruding into the mag well.
I did compare the Staccato C trigger pull (5 pulls avg 2.7 ) to the TDS pull (5 pulls avg 4.11).
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If the change occurs with mag in vs mag out, the first thing that comes to mind is that the trigger bow may be bent in a bit, riding along the mag and adding friction. A properly tuned trigger bow won't be touching the mag, and won't be putting tension against the sidewalls of the frame inside the channel it's recessed in either.

One way to test for this is to pull the mainspring housing, remove the sear spring, and then hold the gun nose-down without the mag in. Press the trigger back, and then quickly remove your finger - the trigger should slide freely back to it's full-forward position just from gravity, loose and unimpeded. Then do the same thing with the mag in.

 

[Eleven]

The TDS has an average of 4.11lbs pull. I’m assuming thats without a mag in it? How much does it change when it has a mag in it?

 

[TradLife406]

Yeah, they’re maybe a touch better.

Good deal, just a little slimmer would be nice.

 

[RWT]

The TDS has an average of 4.11lbs pull. I’m assuming thats without a mag in it? How much does it change when it has a mag in it?

That is no mag. Have not tested with empty mag. I’ll do that before I take it out tomorrow to shoot.

 

[tdoublev]

Forgive me for a slight derailment but how many guys are actually conceal carrying 2011s? I went to my LGS today and got my paws on a Stacatto C. It felt like it was meant for my hand, but damn those are big hunks of metal! I have no doubts about its shootability, but based on the size it seems like a range toy (or comp gun). If people are hiding these on their body I need to learn what they’re doing.

 

[Formidilosus]

Forgive me for a slight derailment but how many guys are actually conceal carrying 2011s? I went to my LGS today and got my paws on a Stacatto C. It felt like it was meant for my hand, but damn those are big hunks of metal! I have no doubts about its shootability, but based on the size it seems like a range toy (or comp gun). If people are hiding these on their body I need to learn what they’re doing.

A good appendix holster. I know quite a few dudes CCW’ing every waking minute out of their houses with 2011’s- I did too for 4-5 years.

 

[RockAndSage]

Forgive me for a slight derailment but how many guys are actually conceal carrying 2011s? I went to my LGS today and got my paws on a Stacatto C. It felt like it was meant for my hand, but damn those are big hunks of metal! I have no doubts about its shootability, but based on the size it seems like a range toy (or comp gun). If people are hiding these on their body I need to learn what they’re doing.

Definitely concealable if you want to, especially if you aren't just wearing gym clothes around. Get a good EDC ratchet belt, pant size 2-4 inches bigger than normal, and as Form said, a good IWB appendix holster. Commander sized guns like the Staccato C are absolutely doable.

 

[tdoublev]

Are there any objectively better styles or attachment methods among the appendix options? I know it’s largely personal preference but I’ve historically not had an easy button even with a compact weapon and using wedges

 

[Colby]

Forgive me for a slight derailment but how many guys are actually conceal carrying 2011s? I went to my LGS today and got my paws on a Stacatto C. It felt like it was meant for my hand, but damn those are big hunks of metal! I have no doubts about its shootability, but based on the size it seems like a range toy (or comp gun). If people are hiding these on their body I need to learn what they’re doing.

I’ve been happy with a tenicor velo for stacatto c.

 

[2Stamp]

I’ve been happy with a tenicor velo for stacatto c.

Second. The velo is a good one.

 

[FOS373]

Definitely concealable if you want to, especially if you aren't just wearing gym clothes around. Get a good EDC ratchet belt, pant size 2-4 inches bigger than normal, and as Form said, a good IWB appendix holster. Commander sized guns like the Staccato C are absolutely doable.

I did my 1st IDPA match yesterday (didn't shoot myself, anyone else, nor get DQ'd - so it was a success). That being said, we all got schooled by the lone woman there. She was appendix carrying a Sig P229 in yoga shorts and t-shirt. You couldn't tell she was carrying, so gym clothes may still be possible. : )

 

[Shraggs]

I did my 1st IDPA match yesterday (didn't shoot myself, anyone else, nor get DQ'd - so it was a success). That being said, we all got schooled by the lone woman there. She was appendix carrying a Sig P229 in yoga shorts and t-shirt. You couldn't tell she was carrying, so gym clothes may still be possible. : )

On a serious note, it is a blessing for many women with an advantage to appendix based on how clothing can drape for larger weapons