106 TAP for hunting?

[MThuntr]

Mine show up tomorrow except my brass and rifle are MIA in the FedEx ether.

 

[sportsmans challenge]

Was supposed to get mine Friday, but just got a delay notice from ups

 

[Lawnboi]

My 800 arrived today. They are good looking bullets. Not seeing any deformed tips or tarnishing. I don’t normally buy seconds, especially Hornady seconds but these look better than some eldm Iv gotten.

 

[ddowning]

Got 3000 yesterday. I started sorting while watching TV. So far the bearing surface has a .010" ES. Once sorted by bearing surface, the rest of the measurements seem to be as consistent as normal.

I like just pulling bullets from the yellow box and seating. When I want to save $ I have used quite a few Hornady BTHP. I had one barrel that I could not get the 5 shot groups below 3/4 moa at 450 yards. I was going to try Bergers at that point, but I really wanted to be cheap with that barrel. I sorted the 105 BTHP by overall length and found quite a lot of variance. Same exact load shrunk to 1/2 moa or slightly smaller for 5 shots at 450 yds. I shot several groups to convince myself.

Hopefully these bullets will do the same. If so I'll be a happy camper. Especially for the price.

 

[sportsmans challenge]

Got 3000 yesterday. I started sorting while watching TV. So far the bearing surface has a .010" ES. Once sorted by bearing surface, the rest of the measurements seem to be as consistent as normal.

I like just pulling bullets from the yellow box and seating. When I want to save $ I have used quite a few Hornady BTHP. I had one barrel that I could not get the 5 shot groups below 3/4 moa at 450 yards. I was going to try Bergers at that point, but I really wanted to be cheap with that barrel. I sorted the 105 BTHP by overall length and found quite a lot of variance. Same exact load shrunk to 1/2 moa or slightly smaller for 5 shots at 450 yds. I shot several groups to convince myself.

Hopefully these bullets will do the same. If so I'll be a happy camper. Especially for the price.

Are you measuring ogive to base? Just got my shipment, will have to start playing with them and separating them out.

 

[ddowning]

Are you measuring ogive to base? Just got my shipment, will have to start playing with them and separating them out.

That will probably net you the same result. I have a 6mm comparator on top and bottom of my caliper. That will give the length of the bullet that will theoretically engage in the rifling (bearing surface). When you get in the weeds this isn't exactly right, but it does work well enough to identify bullets that are very close to the same in that regard.

It is generally accepted that the best way to sort bullets is by overall length. However, that is when purchasing all the same lot number. I find the bearing surface in that scenario is generally with +/- .001". With these factory seconds, I assume many lot numbers are mixed. I was not sure how to proceed. To get an idea, I sorted a couple hundred by bearing surface. I then had some lengths that had 30-40 bullets in them and checked those bullets for base to ogive and overall length. The 30 or 40 bullets with the same length bearing surface had very little variation in overall length and almost no variance in base to ogive. My guess is separating by base to ogive or bearing surface is identifying particular lots in this situation. It might be possible to get more precision by sorting each bearing surface into oal, but probably not enough to notice unless you are trying to shoot these for benchrest or f-class. I am planning to use them for hunting and possibly prs if they shoot well. 10 shots in 3/4 to 1" will pacify me for hunting. 10 shots in 1/2 is what I try to get for prs. I usually need to use Berger for that.

 

[sportsmans challenge]

That will probably net you the same result. I have a 6mm comparator on top and bottom of my caliper. That will give the length of the bullet that will theoretically engage in the rifling (bearing surface). When you get in the weeds this isn't exactly right, but it does work well enough to identify bullets that are very close to the same in that regard.

It is generally accepted that the best way to sort bullets is by overall length. However, that is when purchasing all the same lot number. I find the bearing surface in that scenario is generally with +/- .001". With these factory seconds, I assume many lot numbers are mixed. I was not sure how to proceed. To get an idea, I sorted a couple hundred by bearing surface. I then had some lengths that had 30-40 bullets in them and checked those bullets for base to ogive and overall length. The 30 or 40 bullets with the same length bearing surface had very little variation in overall length and almost no variance in base to ogive. My guess is separating by base to ogive or bearing surface is identifying particular lots in this situation. It might be possible to get more precision by sorting each bearing surface into oal, but probably not enough to notice unless you are trying to shoot these for benchrest or f-class. I am planning to use them for hunting and possibly prs if they shoot well. 10 shots in 3/4 to 1" will pacify me for hunting. 10 shots in 1/2 is what I try to get for prs. I usually need to use Berger for that.

Did 400 yesterday base to ogive and was coming out with about .010 to .011 difference on the extreme ends. Majority split between about a .006 difference so I am separating with .002 to .003 lots

 

[eoperator]

I have burned about 300 of these now in my 1:8 twist rifles. For me it seems they will average out around 1.2moa for 20rnd not terrible for a .16c bullet.

Any of you 7-7.5 twist guys try em out yet?

 

[sierracharlie338]

I hope to be loading some up soon but I’m running an 8 twist as well. Waiting on good brass to be delivered.

 

[sierracharlie338]

I have burned about 300 of these now in my 1:8 twist rifles. For me it seems they will average out around 1.2moa for 20rnd not terrible for a .16c bullet.

Any of you 7-7.5 twist guys try em out yet?
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What speed are you running them at?

 

[wind gypsy]

I have burned about 300 of these now in my 1:8 twist rifles. For me it seems they will average out around 1.2moa for 20rnd not terrible for a .16c bullet.

Any of you 7-7.5 twist guys try em out yet?
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It's been below zero during any time i have available and just haven't wanted to shoot them that bad yet! I assume it hasn't been much better for you if you're in WI?

 

[eoperator]

What speed are you running them at?

6 Dasher 21" 2800fps
6cm 20" 2975fps

Sorting by ogive length definitely stacks them up better.

 

[sierracharlie338]

6 Dasher 21" 2800fps
6cm 20" 2975fps

Sorting by ogive length definitely stacks them up better.

Dang! Well I may be pissing in the wind but will see what I can come up with haha.

 

[MThuntr]

Mine just showed up last night (nearly a week after they were supposed to be delivered). I'm still waiting for my 6ARC brass. My Howa is 7.5 twist. I'll have to see what powder I have to mess with but it seems like I might have a couple.

 

[eoperator]

It's been below zero during any time i have available and just haven't wanted to shoot them that bad yet! I assume it hasn't been much better for you if you're in WI?

I shoot behind my house so it's easy to warm up quick.


I tried 'forms' chill the rifle then bring them in to sweat up and set them outside overnight to freeze up again. It was cold when I went out this morning, both rifles anti 6cm and origin 6 dasher ran fine. Leather or something would have been nice on the comb the last few times out.

 

[seand]

That looks good to me, I’m hoping for similar as I’ve got 2k of them. 6cm 1-8. Was that sorted by length or just pulling from boxes and losing with no sorting.

I have burned about 300 of these now in my 1:8 twist rifles. For me it seems they will average out around 1.2moa for 20rnd not terrible for a .16c bullet.

Any of you 7-7.5 twist guys try em out yet?
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[eoperator]

That looks good to me, I’m hoping for similar as I’ve got 2k of them. 6cm 1-8. Was that sorted by length or just pulling from boxes and losing with no sorting.

This is sorted by ogive length.

If a couple of you guys could get these to shoot tighter with faster twist I am going to order up a couple new barrels.

 

[khuber84]

This is sorted by ogive length.

If a couple of you guys could get these to shoot tighter with faster twist I am going to order up a couple new barrels.

I think 7.5tw is a good bet on any non magnum 6mm if you plan to shoot heavier than 105gr bullets.

 

[sportsmans challenge]

Would be nice to see some 3200+ fps reports

 

[Formidilosus]

Would be nice to see some 3200+ fps reports

I’ll load some in the 6 UM. They shoot like ELD-M’s, though mine aren’t seconds.