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  1. gardo

    .204/BE Rampage Component Recommendation

    I have played with many of the components you have mentioned in an effort to find the ideal "Elk" arrow and here's what I would suggest. Take your existing BE Rampages with the half outs and go buy the BE brass weights that screw into the back. You'll have to get their weight adjustment tool...
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    Machorter or Rbros

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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    Just for fun, here’s a pic of where he laid down for a bit. I don’t think we pushed him. I could explain why I don’t think we pushed him but it would be another long story.
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I agree with you on the rib. I Strongly believe I squared up on a rib (maybe two?) which caused something strange to happen. Will the next shot be farther back, absolutely. We watched blood pour out from a spot we both felt was pretty good placement. Again, same shot but a few inches back and I...
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I know. I saw an add just today for an arrow that they were specifically pushing the idea it will go through a shoulder and penetrate deep enough. Pretty crazy
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    It has been a good conversation and I appreciate all of the comments. The situation sucks and it's a tough lesson to learn. I don't want to keep beating this horse but I still can't figure out what I hit. Probably never will. I've look at so much anatomy I feel I could perform surgery lol...
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    300 spine arrows - 9.0-9.5gpi?

    Black Eagle Rampage comes in a little less than what you're looking for but you can add weight/ weights to their half outs to increase overall weight and FOC.
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    Machorter or Rbros

    Travis, you are correct. Tim and a few other guys own and operate Flat Creek Precision Rifles, still in Georgia. Tim hasn't owned McWhorter for years, he just built the guns. He wanted a new avenue and made the decision to start a new company. They are running their first guns this week...
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    Good point
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    Nice bull. This is the location I feel I hit and blood was coming from. Can I hit shoulder with that impact point?
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I agree on the poor judge part especially in the heat of the monument. That said, he stood there for probably 5 minutes bleeding and we closely observed where the blood was coming from. Overall, it’s a mystery I’ll never figure out.
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I agree and had it to do over, I would go further back. Still don’t understand what I hit and to your point, I’ll probably never know.
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    There was substantial blood coming from my aim point. I’m sure I was off my mark to some degree considering nerves but the blood told me where I hit. I shoot a left offset/ slight helical and the bow is tuned. The iron wills were matching field tip arrows out to 70 yards the day before I left...
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I remember seeing the knock end, specifically my fletching, take a hard down and right after impact. At that point, I had no idea how much penetration I got and just saw blood coming from where I hit but the arrow broke at impact.
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    He was slightly below me across the other ridge but not enough for my range finder to make a slope correction. 2nd and 3rd where checked again the week before the trip.
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    Strongly certain my bow wasn’t canted. I felt very good about running through my checks (grip, peep to sight alignment, cant, anchor, smooth pull etc.). Playing it back in my mind, I would say it was a true quartering (45 degree)
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    It wasn’t a clean snap if that makes sense. It was like a tear. Some of the arrow (call it the top half) was 2 from the end while the (bottom) half was torn all the way back and off at 5”. There was blood at the end of this tear. Not sure if that helps but I’m not sure how else to explain it and...
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I feel I would've had to of been way far forward to hit the scapula wouldn’t I? Can the scapula get back to the crease?
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    He never limped or favored the other leg which confuses me even more. I love the setup as far as the weight and speed. Wondering if the half out gave way on impact? Would I be better of with the iron will collar and HIT?
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    Arrow failure or bad setup vs Elk

    I am. I’ve listened to a lot of his stuff which prompted me to want an arrow has heavy as I could get and as close to 280 but under 280. That said, I’m wondering if the half out couldn’t hold up to bone hit with that amount of energy?
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