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    WTS Sitka Dew Point rain jacket (XL)

    Back up for sale.
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    SWFA Shot show

    I think that they are trapped with low quantities because of their low prices. They're stuck with low prices because they're selling 20 year old scopes. They would benefit greatly in sales volume by working with Euro, but I really wonder if they have the money to invest in the volume. I think...
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    SWFA Shot show

    During hunting season there were guys on here saying that they still hadn't received the scopes they paid for LAST black friday. Did they get them? Healthy companies don't have to repeatedly answer the question "Are you going out of business?" enough for random guys on the internet to know that...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I doubt that the cost:benefit ratio of those offers makes sense. So it goes like, what… that a guy would get a plane ticket paid for to take 4 days off work, pay for their own hotel and transportation to meet strangers who there is a standing disagreement with, to give them their $1,800 scope to...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    Is there a cash pot for the tests? How would it net them money? I’ve heard an offer of a free plane ticket, is there more?
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    Don’t confuse prudence with a lack of confidence. It is arrogance to forego a free opportunity to confirm zero with such a high investment, low frequency opportunity as the taking of an animal.
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    "See the one on the right? That's the difference between accuracy and precision."
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I'm extrapolating based on just looking at the picture and knowing they used .30cal projectiles but simply looking at the image I posted from that test shows that there would be a substantial change in zero at 100yds, which then grows over distance. But the primary argument here was that Form...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I'm not arguing that they aren't using a 100yd zero, I'm saying that the results stand regardless of the zero distance. The overarching argument is simply that: 1. Zeroes aren't permanent and unchanging things. 2. If you're given a free chance to check your zero before going on the board in a...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    Ammo temp and ambient temp can be very different if your rifle is sitting in the sun.
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    They didn't do a 100yd group in the article I posted above, but not all zeroes are 100yds. This is proof. Particularly, the highest velocity group also impacted the lowest - this means that the 100yd group would actually be displaced even more relative to its distance than the 200yd group is as...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    You have to account for the change in ammo temperature, not just density altitude - varying density altitude is also part of the equation when people travel for matches. Lots of variables. That's why people rezero before a match. Yes...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I'm surprised you're making an argument like this. Zeroes aren't solely related to the mechanics of the rifle and optical system - when you deal with different atmospherics your internal and external ballistics change. If you go from a 15F day to a 86F day, you have a zero shift. Not by much...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    This isn't an appeal to authority, it's a conclusion based on aggregate experience - which is exactly why people care about the drop tests you do. You are chastising guys who take the opportunity to adjust their zeros a few tenths of a mil, on a day with different environmentals than they're...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I will try to clarify what I'm saying, my points should be stated as follows: 1. There is too much variability in a given complete rifle package to simply take the drop-testing of a different scope, apply it's success or failure to your own complete rifle package, and assume that your rifle...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    Knowing that your rifle system will maintain zero during normal use and handling is far, far, far more important than the drop test. Losing zero from getting thrown in a truck or bounced off a fencepost is pretty unacceptable. Losing zero because you dropped your rifle 24+" onto a hard surface...
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    Is the 6.8 western gaining traction or did the 7mm prc finish it off?

    6.8 Western should have been 7 Western. The biggest drawback of the 6.8mm is the almost complete void of good bullets produced in that size. If you handload then choose whatever you want, but I think 7mm gives about the best combo of bullet selection, external & terminal performance, and recoil...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    I'm excited for the Mk4HD. I look forward to peoples experience and feedback with them. I think the 2.5-10 and 4.5-18 are going to be very popular crossover scopes that see a lot of market share. It seems like Leupold is really making headway on correcting the oddities that they've held onto in...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    The ruling out is a choice to be made by the purchaser. The drop tests aren't making companies stop producing the scopes. Leupolds have a long-running history of losing zero from silly stuff. The drop tests are useful and I haven't argued against that, only against mis-applying them. Which...
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    The New Leupold Mark 4HD?

    That is correct, you can never 100% know your gear is good, but it gives you a 99% answer which is exactly what you're hoping for. Hunting doesn't carry any guarantees anyway. But it's a very reasonable verification. It also is exactly why I wouldn't drop test my own scope. It's a great test to...
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