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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Does anyone have any experience with the Hornady 75gr TAP T2 bullet? Apparently it fragments more consistently than typical 77gr SMK/OTM, but not as much as the TMK. I'm asking because it is much easier to find than the TMK.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Weird. I don't hand load, but just under 2600fps is what I get from the black hills 5.56 load out of my suppressed 12.5. 16" pushes them at just above 2700fps.
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    Best AR15 Round for 14.5” Barrel

    I echo what others have said in this thread. 77gr TMKs out of a 14.5" 5.56 will perform excellently out to 400 yards. That setup is also one of the best possible home defense setups you can own, if you plan on using your AR for that purpose.
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    Best AR15 Round for 14.5” Barrel

    Are you saying that 6 ARC has been LESS effective than the 77TMK/5.56 combo? I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. I wouldn't be totally surprised given how potent the 77gr TMK is, but I would have assumed that something like a 108gr ELD-M out of a 6 ARC would outperform it.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Wow, that's pretty surprising. Don't 77gr bullets hit somewhere around 3600fps out of a 22CM? If penetration isn't an issue even well north of 3000fps, that is very impressive. Terminal performance must be pretty wicked at those speeds.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Do you remember what the penetration was like at that velocity? I'm guessing no exit?
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Any .22 centerfire, for that matter. I'd be real curious to see what a 77gr TMK would do out of something like a .22 creedmoor...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Really makes me wonder what a 195gr TMK out of a 300WM would do to a whitetail if the little 77gr is so potent.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but where did I point out the faults in someone else's questions without providing answers? All I did was tell the guy that he'd have to upsize quite a bit in caliber to match the 77gr TMK's performance with non fragmenting lead free monos. Are you...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I'm not saying it's not enough, but if his goal is to match the raw terminal performance of the 77gr TMK (or similarly constructed bullets), then it doesn't quite get there.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    I'm not sure how far you'd have to go, but consider the fact that .308 caliber TSX/TTSX bullets don't make wound channels as large as the 77gr TMK out of a .223/5.56. Despite packing over twice as much energy as a 77gr TMK, the .308 monolithics (TSX, GMX, etc.) don't even match it in...
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    Ar-15 load for wolves?

    I'm getting 2700fps out of my 16" and 2780fps average out of my 18" AR. That's the black hills 5.56 load though, so I'm not sure how hand loading compares
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    Ar-15 load for wolves?

    77gr TMKs can be loaded just as hot as any other mag length 77gr bullet out there. Velocity won't be an issue.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    How was the internal damage? I'm really curious how the 75gr gold dot compares to the 77gr TMK.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Nowhere atm, but it was pretty ready available as “LE223T1“ before corona.
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    In addition to the 64gr BSB, does anyone know how the 55gr or 62gr TBBC performs on game? Both the TBBC and the 64gr BSB are highly recommended defensive loads for .223/5.56, but I’m thinking they give up some terminal performance compared to softer bonded soft points like gold dot fusion, and...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Well for one, you’re comparing a yaw dependent match bullet to a very reliable expanding/fragmenting bullet. Just because the bullets are both heavy .223 projectiles doesn’t mean that they are of similar construction or perform similarly in tissue. 75gr BTHP and 77gr TMKs are entirely different...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    And here comes yet another contrarian. What is the purpose of making a comment like this? The thread is dedicated to showing how effective .223 can be with the right bullets. There is proof of this on pretty much every single one of the 27 pages. Lemme guess; you think .223 is too small for...
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    There's so much carnage here that I don't even know what I'm looking at anymore. It's mind boggling that a little .224" bullet can be so effective. Is that a fist sized wound in the top pic?
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    .223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

    Not even close. They are yaw dependent (don't fragment nearly as consistently as the TMK), don't start fragging until several inches in, don't expand, have a lower ballistic coefficient, higher fragmentation velocity threshold, and fragment less overall. They are worse in every way except price...

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