Wyoming long range hunting debate

[Pacific_Fork]

Anyone who thinks that hunting with a modern rifle and scope is different at one range than another is just a different level of hypocrite than the guy who thinks that distance is 100 yards more or less.
If they want to limit range, it's going to have to include excluding optics entirely. Which, as a mule deer hunter, I'm entirely in favor of.

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300 yards a buck, bull, pronghorn can VERY easily spot or smell you. Hell even at 4-500. 800+ is where they have almost zero advantage anymore. So your logic is just, well dumb.

 

[mt terry d]

So attack the biologists and not the individual posting their results. Or better yet, you go do your own study and publish the results. Show us exactly how a study should be done. Then go work with every G&F department to implement a foolproof method to accurately track wounding and mortality rates by weapon type and distance.


Otherwise you and your thoughts belong on The View with the other cackling hens.

I was attacking the biologists and the guy from MTFWP.

Sorry if you inferred otherwise.

 

[PathFinder]

300 yards a buck, bull, pronghorn can VERY easily spot or smell you. Hell even at 4-500. 800+ is where they have almost zero advantage anymore. So your logic is just, well dumb.

How bad do you have to screw up to get busted at 400 yards? Even 300?
Last year I had a MZ tag in a unit that also has early rifle tags. There was a group of 8 bucks living in a little corner of a basin, two were shooters. The glassing point where I sat to watch them during the four days I hunted them was 350-600 yards away from where they fed and bedded, depending on exactly where each buck was. It wasn't difficult whatsoever to avoid detection at that distance. With a scoped rifle, that hunt would have been over in five minutes. With the open sighted MZ, it took four days to get a scenario where I could get close enough to one of the big bucks without busting them.
Saying there's no effective difference between scoped and open sighted weapons just because if you jump up and down, waving your hands and screaming they'll notice you at 400 yards is what is stupid.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I was attacking the biologists and the guy from MTFWP.

Sorry if you inferred otherwise.

Exactly, More of this!

If you’re getting to a point where you have to trade a rifle season for an iron sighted muzzle loading season OF COURSE the wildlife managers would prefer we blame ourselves for the problem...rather than do their job.

Now if, with transparency, they show you they’ve done everything possible in predator and habitat management, including aerial culling, bounties, night hunting games for predators, and still not enough ungulates to sustain a rifle season in a certain unit, THEN you make the change to start changing seasons to reduce harvest so they can recover. But is that what they do? If they showed us all they did we would humbly accept the changes needed to bring that unit back.

I’m not calling out all biologists but they also got bosses, and those bosses have bosses, and there are closet anti’s in the game working to undermine things for a broader agenda and it’s not our agenda.

This infighting sparks those fackers much joy. Focus on them first, not each other.

 

[repins05]

Derailing this post but I find it interesting that people actually believe in and trust wildlife biologist's studies, reports, and numbers.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

How bad do you have to screw up to get busted at 400 yards? Even 300?
Last year I had a MZ tag in a unit that also has early rifle tags. There was a group of 8 bucks living in a little corner of a basin, two were shooters. The glassing point where I sat to watch them during the four days I hunted them was 350-600 yards away from where they fed and bedded, depending on exactly where each buck was. It wasn't difficult whatsoever to avoid detection at that distance. With a scoped rifle, that hunt would have been over in five minutes. With the open sighted MZ, it took four days to get a scenario where I could get close enough to one of the big bucks without busting them.
Saying there's no effective difference between scoped and open sighted weapons just because if you jump up and down, waving your hands and screaming they'll notice you at 400 yards is what is stupid.

Happens every day in the woods. I’ve been busted by cows at 600 yards because I was setting up prone to shoot a bull on open granite that was distracted by all the ladies staring at me. I’ve also shot a bull at 20 yards with a rifle that was clueless I was there. We all have our anecdotes. And it’s beside the point I was making about fair chase and shooting a mile.

And I def didn’t say there’s no “effective difference” so don’t put words on my keyboard.