WTK: Kifaru Aluminum stays

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I'm looking to have someone make me some aluminum stays for a DT frame I bought. Obviously, they no longer offer these and since I don't have an ass, I need an aluminum option to bend to my curvature. Does anyone remember what type of aluminum the OG stays were and the dimensions?

Thanks in advance
 
Josh ,I have an original Kifaru frame that I bought with a Longhunter pack bag in around 2005. I could pull one of the stays out and send pics if that would help.
 
When I did a DIY version a few years back, I found that they used 3/16" thick 6061 T6.

^Not sure if that was Duplex, Duplex Tactical, or both. Sorry!
 
Here are some pics. 3/16 x 1'' wide and mine were 26 '' for a 26'' frame. No markings to say what type of Aluminium. ORIGINAL Duplex frame.
 

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No help with the aluminum stays but I have a very flat back/no ass situation. Years ago, Aron had me switch to carbon arrow shafts and it worked perfectly for me. It felt like the straighter and flatter the frame was the better it stuck to me. Aron said I only needed 1 arrow shaft per side but I used a pair in each stay pocket for peace of mind. Didn’t have any issues for countless trips.


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No help with the aluminum stays but I have a very flat back/no ass situation. Years ago, Aron had me switch to carbon arrow shafts and it worked perfectly for me. It felt like the straighter and flatter the frame was the better it stuck to me. Aron said I only needed 1 arrow shaft per side but I used a pair in each stay pocket for peace of mind. Didn’t have any issues for countless trips.


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Thanks Bill. I may look into that if i dont source some stays. Hope all is well
 
FWIW, HPG specs 6061 aluminum in their Umlindi pack, and 7000 series in their decker frame.

McMaster Carr carries strips of 6061. Not sure if it's the correct temper though for bending.


 
FWIW, HPG specs 6061 aluminum in their Umlindi pack, and 7000 series in their decker frame.

McMaster Carr carries strips of 6061. Not sure if it's the correct temper though for bending.



Thank you sir!
 
I'd think you can bend about any kind of 6061 for this application. It's going to be a single bend in any one point, maybe two, and that's it. I would just try to be kind of scientific about how you do it. Mark up each stay and try to bend identically for symmetry. Maybe bend over a lawnmower wheel or one of those foam rollers. You can make a little jig to measure angle out of paper.
 
I'd think you can bend about any kind of 6061 for this application. It's going to be a single bend in any one point, maybe two, and that's it. I would just try to be kind of scientific about how you do it. Mark up each stay and try to bend identically for symmetry. Maybe bend over a lawnmower wheel or one of those foam rollers. You can make a little jig to measure angle out of paper.
Good point. I actually traced the stay outline with a sharpie on one of my workbenches so that I could bend subsequent stays to the curvature of my back. Worked great whenever I acquired a new pack.

Do you think 6061 is the correct aluminum. Or close to?
 
6061 is good, assuming you're not bending the s out of it, which I don't think you are. Seek Outside uses 7075 for their frame, but I think that's because they have more extreme bends than what you'll do, plus it's hollow tubing.

I found this link which indicates Kifaru used 7075:


"This pack has 1″ by 1/8″ 7075 stays, while currently Kifaru sells frame with either 1″ by 1/4″ 6000 series stays"

Google AI says:

Aluminum alloy 7075 has a slightly higher modulus of elasticity (around 71.7 GPa) than 6061 aluminum (around 68.9 GPa), indicating that 7075 is stiffer and more resistant to permanent deformation under stress. This makes 7075 a better choice for applications requiring high rigidity and durability, such as aerospace components and high-stress mechanical parts, while 6061 is a versatile, cost-effective option with good weldability, corrosion resistance, and higher thermal conductivity.

Modulus of Elasticity Values

What This Means in Practice
  • Stiffness:
    The modulus of elasticity is a measure of a material's stiffness. Since 7075 has a higher modulus, it requires more force to produce the same amount of elastic deformation compared to 6061.
    • Choose 7075: for applications where high strength and rigidity are paramount, like aircraft structures, high-performance sporting goods, and military hardware.

    • Choose 6061: when versatility, cost-effectiveness, and good machinability are more important, such as for general-purpose parts, heat exchangers, and automotive components where good heat dissipation is needed.
 
6061 is good, assuming you're not bending the s out of it, which I don't think you are. Seek Outside uses 7075 for their frame, but I think that's because they have more extreme bends than what you'll do, plus it's hollow tubing.

I found this link which indicates Kifaru used 7075:


"This pack has 1″ by 1/8″ 7075 stays, while currently Kifaru sells frame with either 1″ by 1/4″ 6000 series stays"

Google AI says:

Aluminum alloy 7075 has a slightly higher modulus of elasticity (around 71.7 GPa) than 6061 aluminum (around 68.9 GPa), indicating that 7075 is stiffer and more resistant to permanent deformation under stress. This makes 7075 a better choice for applications requiring high rigidity and durability, such as aerospace components and high-stress mechanical parts, while 6061 is a versatile, cost-effective option with good weldability, corrosion resistance, and higher thermal conductivity.

Modulus of Elasticity Values

What This Means in Practice
  • Stiffness:
    The modulus of elasticity is a measure of a material's stiffness. Since 7075 has a higher modulus, it requires more force to produce the same amount of elastic deformation compared to 6061.
    • Choose 7075: for applications where high strength and rigidity are paramount, like aircraft structures, high-performance sporting goods, and military hardware.

    • Choose 6061: when versatility, cost-effectiveness, and good machinability are more important, such as for general-purpose parts, heat exchangers, and automotive components where good heat dissipation is needed.
You are a gentleman and a scholar. This is exactly what I needed to know. Many thanks!
 
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