I found out about the Outdoor pants on here awhile back when I was researching gear for an elk trip. I now have 4 pairs, two regular and two of the fleece lined. I'm skinny, run a 30x34 jean and the newer versions fit better as they cut the length a bit longer, they only offer them in 30x32. The lined pants are great working outside in winter, warm but not hot and heavy. I'm wearing the regular ones right now. A tan pair I wear for work is holding up fine other than a couple grease stains but they do tend to wash out ok. Plan on buying more but they never have the moss color in my size locally. Hoping to hit them on clearance somewhere, I paid $5 for the first pair that were lined.