Would you buy this scope?

[ZeroTech Optics]

Those drop test results are less than straightforward. From a marketing perspective it would be better to re-conduct the test and post those results.

Not disagreeing but I don't run rokslide . Just trying to help fill a need that we saw!

 

[UnckleBob]

Not disagreeing but I don't run rokslide . Just trying to help fill a need that we saw!

I was very impressed with the scope's reticle at low magnification. I think the Ten Mile reticle was much harder to aim with at 3x than the reticle on the S2H.

Any updates on likely ship dates?

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

I was very impressed with the scope's reticle at low magnification. I think the Ten Mile reticle was much harder to aim with at 3x than the reticle on the S2H.

Any updates on likely ship dates?

Nothing other than the original updates shared way back when. When they are close I'm sure everyone will be well aware. In the meantime make sure you follow everyone on socials and just to be safe sub to all our mailing lists as social media is a ticking time bomb these days before we are all kicked off...

 

[4th_point]

A bit off topic but what in the Zero Tech line would you recommend for better lowlight capability compared to this scope?

The reticle looked good in person, but obviously the 6x erector isn't ideal for lowlight.

 

[4th_point]

Regarding the ZT website with field eval, its disingenuous to claim that it's a 3rd party eval.

I think you need to fix that to restore credibility.

 

[BBob]

Those drop test results are less than straightforward. From a marketing perspective it would be better to re-conduct the test and post those results.

It’ll certainly give some of the SH dudes more to wank on about!!! Probably worth it for the entertainment value

 

[HighUintas]

Regarding the ZT website with field eval, its disingenuous to claim that it's a 3rd party eval.

I think you need to fix that to restore credibility.

Well, it is. Form gets no money from that deal as far as I can remember. I think every product he's worked on he doesn't get payment in any way, other than getting the product he wants and getting data from the people who use it and report back and those who attend the S2H class.

However, I sort of agree from the context of involvement in product development.

 

[atmat]

Regarding the ZT website with field eval, its disingenuous to claim that it's a 3rd party eval.

I think you need to fix that to restore credibility.

This is dumb. It was tested by someone who is not financially invested or rewarded. That’s the definition of a third party (e.g., not one of the two parties engaged in a transaction)

 

[IrkedCitizen]

LOW knows how to build a bulletproof optic. Most companies do not SPEC bulletproof. So LOW builds to their SPEC.

 

[4th_point]

This is dumb. It was tested by someone who is not financially invested or rewarded. That’s the definition of a third party (e.g., not one of the two parties engaged in a transaction)

You need to look at the definition of 3rd party. It is not just financial.

 

[atmat]

You need to look at the definition of 3rd party. It is not just financial.

“A third party is an individual, group, or entity that is not one of the two primary, direct participants in a transaction, agreement, or legal relationship. While independent of the main parties, they often play a supporting role (e.g., vendors, service providers) or are affected by the interaction.”

If Form is not the buyer or seller, but served as an unpaid and independent consultant on the project, that by definition makes him a third party.

Why do you argue such silly things you know little about?

 

[4th_point]

Why do you argue such silly things you know little about?

Yup. I'm dumb and silly.

I work as a 3rd party professional for testing and consulting. The main elements of 3rd party contract work are being independent and unbiased. Financial gain is covered under independence.

Formi would not be considered independent or unbiased, even though he may not have any financial gain. I am not implying that he would skew the results intentionally, but it is disingenuous for ZT to claim a 3rd party did the eval, when the evaluator has been involved with the project.

For professional work, standard contracts prohibit any involvement 24 months prior to performing any testing, and 12 months after testing is complete.

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

A bit off topic but what in the Zero Tech line would you recommend for better lowlight capability compared to this scope?

The reticle looked good in person, but obviously the 6x erector isn't ideal for lowlight.

The honest answer is I would recommend this scope for most use cases. None of the 3-9's or 3-12's we offer at this time high end scopes. Our Thrive HD offers excellent glass, they are out of china but I have always been impressed. The 4-16 Thrive HD may be a good one to check out

Regarding the ZT website with field eval, its disingenuous to claim that it's a 3rd party eval.

I think you need to fix that to restore credibility.

The reasoning behind this is not everyone seeing our blog posts or PR's comes from Rokslide and those that do obviously know where the eval comes from. The 3rd party is @Formidilosus, if people come to our site and see a torture test of an optic, it appears we did ourselves, I would argue that feels more disingenuous. This is to let anyone who ends up on that page know that ZeroTech did not conduct this test, nor did we pay someone to conduct it

 

[Svivian]

It’s going to be a long 5-7 months before these suckers hit doorsteps isn’t it

 

[jonnyviceroy]

It’s going to be a long 5-7 months before these suckers hit doorsteps isn’t it

I wanted to have faith I’d had them before rifle season (first drop)…. I ended up ordering some NX6s as well since I figured they wouldn’t.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

It’s going to be a long 5-7 months before these suckers hit doorsteps isn’t it

Just sign up for one of the S2H cancellation spots and you can try it out sooner!

 

[RancherJohn]

It’s going to be a long 5-7 months before these suckers hit doorsteps isn’t it

Just sign up for one of the S2H cancellation spots and you can try it out sooner!

You'll notice that those of us that have used them have also shut up about them; because our info isn't current nor was it long enough to form complete opinions. @Cliff Gray probably has the most experience & time with one outside of ZT/S2H. The chatter is coming from those with no time either handling or using the scopes, as is common.

Feedback from the users in S2H classes would be great, but it doesn't appear anyone has posted their experiences post bear-hunt class. I look forward to hearing hands-on details after the June courses.

Until the next batch of scopes hits the US and goes out for reviews, no feedback will satisfy anyone on the fence. "It's a prototype" "Of course it passed their own test" "I had one of the other ZT scopes and it wasn't what they are claiming this one is".

It's all so tiresome.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

All you have to do to rile up Rokslide is start a post with one of the following

I work in…
I’m a….
I have a degree in….

Never goes well.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Formi would not be considered independent or unbiased, even though he may not have any financial gain. I am not implying that he would skew the results intentionally, but it is disingenuous for ZT to claim a 3rd party did the eval, when the evaluator has been involved with the project.

Can you elaborate on his involvement? From my understanding, the extent of it has been (paraphrasing in my own words) "here is a list of scopes that have proven to be reliable, here are the features that would be beneficial on a reliable scope. If you build it, I will beat the shit out of it and report back with my results, good or bad". S2H coordinated the collaboration, and the scopes were actually put through more rigorous testing than the baseline standard eval that is well known, which was risky in itself if they failed.

I don't understand how that exceeds the "involvement" or "unbiased" thresholds of qualifying as 3rd party testing?

 

[slowelk]

All you have to do to rile up Rokslide is start a post with one of the following

I work in…
I’m a….
I have a degree in….

Never goes well.

100%. It's the same thing that Form preaches against - appeal to authority. No one cares. It's a hunting/gear forum.