Would you buy this scope?

[Tanner]

OK Canadians, you win! I have applied for the US DEPT of Commerce Bureau of Industry and Security SNAP-R account in order to apply for export authorization. As I read it, once my account is approved, you would apply for your Canadian import permit, give your approval to me, and I submit for the export approval.

As long as @ZeroTech Optics approves of this, we will give it a try.

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Thanks for posting a pic of your Snapper, Jake!

 

[Choupique]

This transparency is kick ass

Its a tough way to operate but I hope it plays out well for all of us. Talking margins out in the public is nightmare fuel for most business and marketing people so it is refreshing to see it.

If it really is a good scope (im sure it is) and they can actually deliver them in sufficient quantities to make ripples, in theory itll help correct the scope market. When there is competition, the consumer wins.

Let's just hope the optical giants of the world don't buy their little venture out and booger it all up. Im pretty excited to try one.

 

[Shortschaf]

RETICLES:

We have to invest a large chunk of money in to every reticle we request for tooling. As most of Rokslide is on the MIL wagon, of course we started there. Form's THLR reticle may not be for everyone, so there is another MIL reticle option that is very basic offered by ZT. I personally brought up the lack of MOA reticle as an issue, but we agreed after the first couple runs of scopes with everything on the up and up, we will add one quickly.

Will the THLR reticle be UM exclusive or will ZT offer it as well?

 

[KHntr]

I did the Canadian side of the import docs when I ordered scopes from Europtic and Maven. It was easy. I got my import certificate in a couple of days.

Yeah, I was almost on the Maven bandwagon a couple of times but couldn’t warm up to the reticle enough. Not concerned about the hoops to jump through to be honest.

 

[Hondo64d]

OK Canadians, you win! I have applied for the US DEPT of Commerce Bureau of Industry and Security SNAP-R account in order to apply for export authorization. As I read it, once my account is approved, you would apply for your Canadian import permit, give your approval to me, and I submit for the export approval.

As long as @ZeroTech Optics approves of this, we will give it a try.

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Any ITAR concerns?

John

 

[Frozenlead]

Sounds like Jake has heard our voices. As discussed there are a few options for Canadians at least.

-a direct preorder from ZeroTech Canada. Obviously the easiest since they already import their scopes.

- @mindful hunter could offer a presale and bring them in for us. Would be a great way for him to kick off his new venture with unknown munitions.

- importing direct from unknown. It doesn’t look to difficult, but requires additional paperwork and input from both sides.

- an additional option would be to use a dealer that handles imports like prophet river or others. Would require paperwork on Jake’s end and an additional fee on the buyers end

Found some info on a previous thread for those who may not have looked into importing before.
https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/exporting-riflescope-from-u-s-to-canada.348214/

 

[benconfused]

Hello Roksliders,

I don't spend enough time on here with you guys, but here is some additional info regarding the new S2H scope.

If this scope spec sheet has already been posted (see bottom of post), I apologize cause I'm posting it again. Eventually it will be typed in to the product description as specs are verified on the scope.

As you know Form is deep into testing and by all accounts things are looking very positive. It's unusual for me to see him so excited about something with relatively nothing negative to say about it. When he first picked it up on the table at our SHOT show meeting, he was smiles ear to ear without even knowing how it would test yet.

I only caught the latest couple pages of comments so I will address a couple things with my 2 cents.

RETICLES:

We have to invest a large chunk of money in to every reticle we request for tooling. As most of Rokslide is on the MIL wagon, of course we started there. Form's THLR reticle may not be for everyone, so there is another MIL reticle option that is very basic offered by ZT. I personally brought up the lack of MOA reticle as an issue, but we agreed after the first couple runs of scopes with everything on the up and up, we will add one quickly.

SCOPE CAPS:

We are carrying the scope bumper caps on S2H and if not already offered in the correct sizes we will request them from the manufacturer. No other plans have been solidified for offering any other options, if there are any other highly desirable/doable contenders we would consider them. If there are quite a few, then maybe another poll would be a good idea: https://www.shoot2hunt.com/product/the-scope-bumper/

SHOOT2HUNT LOGO ON OBJECTIVE:

This will be discussed next week at the Hunt Expo. I think we should figure out a way to make it black or somehow more subdued. This will all depend on cost and options. Right now LOW simply laser engraves into the anodized aluminum and that's why its white looking and bright. We are of course proud of the scope and wanted our logo on it with ZT, but not at the expense of customer satisfaction and sexiness. Update will come soon.

ORDERING/ LEAD TIME/ ETC:

No decisions have been made for this process just yet. Those that are S2H podcast listeners have heard some details about what S2H is on the hook for when it comes to ordering. We expect to place our first order with ZT in just a few weeks. ZT has a long track record of data for the ordering and lead time process with Light Optical Works in Japan. It is a very straight forward 6 month lead from order acceptance to scopes ready to ship from LOW. There are minimum order quantities as well but we should be well above those. We are well aware of previous pre order, back order, deposit, and lead time issues of the past and want nothing more than to never make those same mistakes again and offer you guys the best customer service and products that we can.

That being said, we have no idea how many to order, how many of each reticle, and so on. When our order is ready to ship from Japan we are required to pay in full. Due to capital limitations, I don't have a million dollars in the bank to order 1000 scopes which I think we could probably sell rather quickly but cannot commit to 6 months ahead of time.

We could do it the very slow way and order 50 scopes at a time and have no problem paying up front, but you guys would become way too hungry to get one of these highly affordable, way to much value for the money, drop tested, sexy AF scopes. ZT and S2H did everything we could to keep this scope at the $999 retail price while still passing the drop test and not removing features.

My current plan is to.........

1- Create an ordering plan with proposed dates and reasonable quantities agreed on by our S2H/ZT team.
2- Build the product on the website with this proposed production chart.
2- Open up a 10% ($100) deposit option to secure your scope and choose your reticle.
3- As orders are being placed, your order number will count down from the max number of let's say 500, or whatever the chart takes us to. You will know when your scope will be delivered based on the chart and your quantity number and then the wait begins.
4- We use your order quantities and reticle options to validate the production chart.
5- Then we can place our sequential orders with ZT. 6 months to produce and 10 days to get from Japan to Post Falls Idaho. This is of course an estimate, but has a ton of ZT data and experience backing it up.
6- We would then test each one individually on the collimator as it arrives to Idaho and ship to you in order.

We want to keep order quantities reasonable for the first few runs to make sure LOW is doing a great job for us. That will allow us to request any changes needed in between shipments. Although we are testing extensively by dropping and field testing, an unforeseen problem could arise that needs fixing which brings us up to warranty. The warranty is everything you'd want it to be with ZT's full backing. The initial policy for a verified scope issue will be to send you a replacement. We will be highly motivated to hear about, troubleshoot, and fix any potential issue that may arise.

We will have the scope at the Hunt Expo in SLC at both Unknown Munitions booth 202 and the Zero Tech booth 7312. Please stop by and see it if you're around!

As always, we very much appreciate all of your support. Projects like this would never be possible without it.

Jake Mushaney

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@Unknown Munitions - Add a pay-in-full order option. I'm budgeted for 2-3 and ready to spend with trust.

 

[diygunsmith]

yes

 

[alexnelon]

Not to be negative on this, especially if it's just one option - but that is an absolutely horrible color that I do not want emblazoned as a billboard of on the side of my scopes. Respectfully - it's the opposite of sexy, guys.

Smaller, and a subdued gray, is good and fine.

Put me down for no bright orange on the scope unless its for something functional

Attached a crude mockup. The ZT scopes already have orange on them, and from what I'm seeing, S2H has earned the right to put as big a logo on it as they want and that's fine with me.

Also, it's easier to sharpie over orange than white if that's the play.

 

[glock233]

I like the S2H branding on it. Go for it; people have sharpies if they don’t like it.

It’s not a great physical product brand name, but I think the graphics look good.

 

[Kaleb]

I can't believe we're still talking about the logo...lol. What color box will it arrive in? The lens cover will well cover most of the logo anyway. Don't like it then wrap a piece of tape around it. Logo is deleted then and the world keep turning. If I was the one putting skin into this scope I'd want my logo on it too. Who wouldn't?

 

[BAKPAKR]

Attached a crude mockup. The ZT scopes already have orange on them, and from what I'm seeing, S2H has earned the right to put as big a logo on it as they want and that's fine with me.

Also, it's easier to sharpie over orange than white if that's the play.

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I think the orange branding makes the scope look gaudy.

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

Great idea. I looked him up and left a comment on his most recent review to get a hold of me. I can't see any other way to contact him.

@Formidilosus also has a triggercam and could do a demonstration I believe.

Make sure to take triggercam footage with a grain of salt. Good for seeing reticles, bad for seeing glass quality and FOV. Take this from someone who is filming with one every week and cutting together footage

 

[jtg88]

Anybody got a picture of the reticle that will be in this scope without having to dig through 183 pages?

 

[Chris in TN]

I have an eyepiece question:

The specs indicate a locking eyepiece. Is it, once unlocked, still relatively coarse (ie fast focus) adjustment?)

Asking because stuff I've had in the past was either a) locking, with very fine adjustment, or b) no-lock fast-focus. Just curious if this is the former or the latter, or a combination of fast and locking? Not getting into what's better or why, just asking which it is.

 

[alexnelon]

Anybody got a picture of the reticle that will be in this scope without having to dig through 183 pages?

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[Mik123]

OK Canadians, you win! I have applied for the US DEPT of Commerce Bureau of Industry and Security SNAP-R account in order to apply for export authorization. As I read it, once my account is approved, you would apply for your Canadian import permit, give your approval to me, and I submit for the export approval.

As long as @ZeroTech Optics approves of this, we will give it a try.

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All we would need is an invoice from you because we'd need to attach that to the application.

 

[Choupique]

like the S2H branding on it. Go for it; people have sharpies if they don’t like it.

Leave it off, and the people who want it can get after it with an orange paint pen.

In my opinion, this scopes whole claim to fame is built to shoot. Everything you need, nothing you dont. More prominent branding detracts from that IMO.

I dont really care, im going to buy one either way. Just here offering free business advice whos cause I support. Its worth what I charged for it.

 

[Kaleb]

Leave it off, and the people who want it can get after it with an orange paint pen.

In my opinion, this scopes whole claim to fame is built to shoot. Everything you need, nothing you dont. More prominent branding detracts from that IMO.

I dont really care, im going to buy one either way. Just here offering free business advice whos cause I support. Its worth what I charged for it.

I'm fine with every name being left off too but I might feel different if it was me or my business bringing this scope to market. I think if it was my company I'd want my company name on it.