Would you buy this scope?

[omicron1792]

No sir. Dial elevation, hold wind. IF you need rapid elevation change, then use reticle. For instance, I used the new scopes on three deer, at three different distances- dialed to the center, knew the closest if the deer ran towards me was almost exactly a mil short, and the farther one was almost exactly a mil long- the spots were about 100 yards apart. Shot the center one, then held 1 mil high in the farther, then they ran towards me and held .8 mil low. Three deer, in about 11 seconds. Exactly what the reticle was made for.
Also have used it for follow up shots- animal is hit, runs closer or father away- hold in the reticle.

That’s good to know. I stand sit mostly for deer so dialing has never been an issue. I trained for 500 yard shot for my elk, yet he walked right out at 150 yards.

Definitely will know my holds for follow up shots.

 

[Sundodger]

Aadmount will make a scope cap to what ever size you want.

Nothing stopping anyone from ordering a set to fit after a min or two with some dial calipers.

I have had them before, and been pleased other then the weight.

 

[Lil-Rokslider]

Almost every single legitimate thread is destroyed by jackasses here now. This used to be a forum where people that actually cared about gear, technical conversations, and information came to learn and share. Now it’s filed with immature children whose sole claim to life is memes, and stupid Facebook conversations.

So I probably shouldn't follow through on having chat make me a picture of a collab between ZT and a hotdog truck if I want to be able to buy this scope?

 

[Axlrod]

Your life - and I mean even, or especially - the parts of it that are more important than shooting - will go smoother if you learn to dial it back and be able to laugh every now and then. Someone out there in the world is going to disagree with you or think something is funny when you don't - or heaven forbid not drop everything based on your experiences - and you'd do well to learn to live with it.

That's free life advice. take it or not.

You just don't get it, do you? There are 2 threads on a scope that has never before been offered. Over 4000 posts on these two threads, the vast majority having nothing to do with this scope. Some of it is your endless bullshit about moa scopes- which this scope is clearly not. The people interested in this scope should not have to constantly wade through facebook-esq bullshit. If you crave the drama go there.

Kindest regards,
Future S2H scope owner

 

[Chris in TN]

You just don't get it, do you?

The other thread isn't official, never was, never will be, and it was a ridiculous, absurd error for the mrad mafia to start the drama about moa simply because one potential buyer mentioned that he'd prefer moa.

It's just as bad of an idea for *you* to drag that, into this thread. So, please don't.

 

[mlevimadden]

You just don't get it, do you? There are 2 threads on a scope that has never before been offered. Over 4000 posts on these two threads, the vast majority having nothing to do with this scope. Some of it is your endless bullshit about moa scopes- which this scope is clearly not. The people interested in this scope should not have to constantly wade through facebook-esq bullshit. If you crave the drama go there.

Kindest regards,
Future S2H scope owner

One trend I've noticed in my time on Rokslide, is that the people who stack up over 1k posts per year should be avoided. Especially if they are still in their first year with over 1k posts. These people are typically the types spending all their time online rather than in the field to gain experience you would want to learn from. They are also typically argumentative types who talk more than they listen (post more than they read). YMMV but it is a very consistent trend.

 

[Gstew1930]

One trend I've noticed in my time on Rokslide, is that the people who stack up over 1k posts per year should be avoided. Especially if they are still in their first year with over 1k posts. These people are typically the types spending all their time online rather than in the field to gain experience you would want to learn from. They are also typically argumentative types who talk more than they listen (post more than they read). YMMV but it is a very consistent trend.

Well FN said!!

 

[tstowater]

I'm with Form. Time to cut the crap out of this thread. Lord, I skipped out on this thread on page 165 for a few days and it's page 180. If I wouldn't have skimmed through the BS, I would have missed Zero Tech. You can definitely tell people are bored and too much time on their hands. Sorry to be growling.

 

[Okie_Poke]

I wouldn’t still be following this thread if I wasn’t worried about missing the pre-order/deposit link. I gave up on the other one because it’s not “official” and I don’t need to be checking that many Rokslide posts per day. I took Facebook off my phone for the same reason. I know it’s my lack of self control, but it’s still annoying.

 

[letrbuck]

Almost every single legitimate thread is destroyed by jackasses here now. This used to be a forum where people that actually cared about gear, technical conversations, and information came to learn and share. Now it’s filed with immature children whose sole claim to life is memes, and stupid Facebook conversations.

well put sir. This has directly influenced the amount of time I spend on this site now. Unfortunately I don't know how it can be brought back to its former glory, unless moderators go scorched earth on the useless and childish banter.

 

[THLR]

[...] Shot the center one, then held 1 mil high in the farther, then they ran towards me and held .8 mil low. Three deer, in about 11 seconds. Exactly what the reticle was made for.
[...]

True.
There are several variations of what Form described.

But in general, if you shoot your laser a few times, you'll find a landmark/cutoff line for AIM LONG and sometimes also AIM SHORT.

It is perhaps one of the most/more valuable tools in the reticle.

Once you start shooting, you can just eyeball how far/close they are tonthe landmarks and hold a corresponding "eyeball measure" towards AIM LONG/SHORT.

Very good for the chaos where the target will stand for a few seconds only before it rejoins the herd. You can really snatch the opportunities presented and get well into the second magazine.

But you need to be disciplined, observe impact, hear the smack to asses the shot or track it until you're certain. Count the deer, have an idea of area and respect the cutoff line however deep you are in the red mist.


Plenty of time to regret the success; you do not need to add "tracking" to the list...

Edit: Added photo. Note how all deer are well shot

A boatload, poor picture but...

 

[IrkedCitizen]

What this thread and the others have shown is that people do want MOA. Whether MIL is better overall is beside the point. Market share is being lost due to there being no MOA offering.

 

[prm]

What this thread and the others have shown is that people do want MOA. Whether MIL is better overall is beside the point. Market share is being lost due to there being no MOA offering.

That is not correct. The overall design of the scope is exactly the point. They chose to build the exact scope they wanted, not to chase market share.

 

[mlevimadden]

What this thread and the others have shown is that people do want MOA. Whether MIL is better overall is beside the point. Market share is being lost due to there being no MOA offering.

But market share was not the concern at the start of this project. This project was initiated by Form and Ryan wanting to create the best riflescope for western style hunting and field shooting. They have mentioned multiple times in forum posts and on podcasts that Form wouldn't allow any corners to be cut on the development of this scope. Producing the scope in MOA significantly reduces it's effectiveness for western hunting at distance.

Edited to add that @prm already beat me to it above.

 

[Formidilosus]

True.
There are several variations of what Form described.

But in general, if you shoot your laser a few times, you'll find a landmark/cutoff line for AIM LONG and sometimes also AIM SHORT.

Once you start shooting, you can just eyeball how far/close they are tonthe landmarks and hold a corresponding "eyeball measure" towards AIM LONG/SHORT.

Very good for the chaos where the target will stand for a few seconds only before it rejoins the herd. You can really snatch the opportunities presented and get well into the second magazine.

But you need to be disciplined, observe impact, hear the smack to asses the shot or track it until you're certain. Count the deer, have an idea of area and respect the cutoff line however deep you are in the red mist.

Plenty of time to regret the success; you do not need to add "tracking" to the list...

Everything written here. We were in a couple of states in the last week or so, quite a few deer were killed- in culling, NOT hunting. The videos are good and instructive for killing, but I don’t think people would be able to understand it quite frankly.

 

[Castle Rock]

True.
There are several variations of what Form described.

But in general, if you shoot your laser a few times, you'll find a landmark/cutoff line for AIM LONG and sometimes also AIM SHORT.

It is perhaps one of the most/more valuable tools in the reticle.

Once you start shooting, you can just eyeball how far/close they are tonthe landmarks and hold a corresponding "eyeball measure" towards AIM LONG/SHORT.

Very good for the chaos where the target will stand for a few seconds only before it rejoins the herd. You can really snatch the opportunities presented and get well into the second magazine.

But you need to be disciplined, observe impact, hear the smack to asses the shot or track it until you're certain. Count the deer, have an idea of area and respect the cutoff line however deep you are in the red mist.

Plenty of time to regret the success; you do not need to add "tracking" to the list...

This is exactly what we do when culling, make a mental range card before the action begins, often there are two of us and we each cover a sector

 

[prm]

I see the math and the application of the shoot long and short, but without quite a bit of practice I doubt I would pull it off in a real situation.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

I am well aware they built THEIR scope. I will own a few. I like how it turned out. But part of the derailment has been MIL/MOA related.

The burrito conversation was funny. The manufacturer representative even indulged and furthered it.

 

[Castle Rock]

I see the math and the application of the shoot long and short, but without quite a bit of practice I doubt I would pull it off in a real situation.

It’s not intended for the masses

 

[Formidilosus]

I see the math and the application of the shoot long and short, but without quite a bit of practice I doubt I would pull it off in a real situation.

No one can. Killing optimally is quite different than “ima take my rifel and find me a baar”.