Would you buy this scope?

[nm.otter]

At lower magnifications, those decreasing width stadia turn into subtle, tapering points on the short, heavy horizontal (not sure of the exact term here) bars/arrows. Rather clever, actually.

@Ryan Avery do you by any chance have a mid-magnification reticle image you can share?

 

[BBob]

Probably to center your eye? No clue though.

What are the subtensions? Seems like a bit going on with that reticle.

The THLR box is 1mil flat to flat, .5mil center to edge if that's the dimension you're asking about. I'd assume the S2H will be the same.

@Ryan Avery do you by any chance have a low-mag reticle image you can share?

Prob something close to this.

Minox ZP5 5-25x56 Rifle Scope and THLR Reticle Review

BigJimFish reviews the Minox ZP5 5-25x56 rifle scope and the THLR reticle.

www.snipershide.com

 

[Dobermann]

Thank you. I wasn't complaining. I've not been the best at following this thread, and I stopped listening to the podcasts some time ago. Looking forward to seeing it, whenever it's ready. And I'm still long SWFAs and an RS1.2, so I'm g2g in the interim.

All good - and I wasn't suggesting you might complain about it ... was thinking about the complaints about the Rokstock and Unknown Suppressors ... @Ryan Avery, @Formidilosus, @Unknown Munitions, SRS, US, etc all go out of their way to give us what we need and then guys kvetch about it.

 

[Dobermann]

Ah copy, still interested, the THLR has allot going on that a hunter doesn’t need. If all the unnecessary stuff is cleaned up I may still be a buyer.

I must’ve skipped over the sections on the reticle as I was a latecomer and thread was already on page 79… I’ll go back and search

In case you don't know, you can do a keyword search within a specific thread ... I know Ryan posted the reticle later, but this trick can get you to exactly what you want pretty quickly if this comes up for you again on other topics.

 

[Dobermann]

All - if you've never heard of this reticle, and don't understand it or like it and aren't some sort of reticle nerd, there's a couple of things to know:

1) The original was designed by Thomas Hauglands, as his Long Range reticle - hence, THLR. He's a member here, out of Scandinavia somewhere, and is a very active hunter.

2) It's not meant to be a tacticool supersniper reticle - it's meant, as I understand it, to be the quickest and most usable reticle for hunting from short to extended ranges, in the widest variety of conditions.

3) The original has features for ranging and wind holds that are more on the advanced side, as I understand it, with this one Ryan posted here being the simplified version of that. Making it more optimized for more common hunting conditions.

4) The reticle is, apparently, exceptionally good in getting you on target in very low-light conditions, owing to the way the thick outer posts and the box/dot in the center draw the eye and give reference.

I'm probably missing a couple of the finer points here, but that's the broad takeaways I've picked up across several threads. As of right now, to my knowledge, the only other scope out there with the THLR reticle is the $3000 Minox ZP5, and it's quite a hog of an optic, as cool as it is. The one the guys are having developed seems to be a far more balanced and optimized hunting scope, at half the price.

Pretty much ... except for 2. It's now hard to find info about it, but the reticle did have some .mil applications and there was a video online for a bit that showed this, which is now deleted. I think I posted about this in one of the ZP5 threads ... only short comments about this are out there, but they are out there. Not sure if/how many countries/units picked up the ZP5, but it would be fun to know ...

 

[nm.otter]

Prob something close to this.

Thanks -- query updated.

Those photos represent a 5x zoom range (and we're seemingly headed for 6x).

Low mag image looks good for the FOV and light conditions.

A mid-range view with a less-busy background should show what I'm suggesting.

 

[Schmo]

@Formidilosus is to damn nice to you guys…

We’ve been really well behaved, so it was deserved!

Just kidding

 

[Packmansion]

If they got the reticle right, a dual reticle system won’t be needed as one of the goals was a reticle useful through the entire mag range


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I have yet to see that on an ffp but if they pull it off im all in. That is my biggest gripe with ffp.

 

[atmat]

I have yet to see that on an ffp but if they pull it off im all in. That is my biggest gripe with ffp.

The SB P3L is this way. At lower power it’s a crosshair. At mid power you start to see subtensions.

 

[Packmansion]

The SB P3L is this way. At lower power it’s a crosshair. At mid power you start to see subtensions.

Found samples on the on Google. I would say that does not meet my expectations. Below is a sample of a march reticle that has both first and second plane reticle. Not a fan of the styling but the general concept offers a lot of potential.

 

[Chad E]

Not if Unknown was manufacturing. If they are the lead time will be promised at 6mo and turn out to be 5 years and then after use it'll be determined that it doesn't hold zero for anything larger than 22LR...

The jumping to each unknown munitions thread and grinding the axe is pretty annoying and adds nothing of value to the threads. You don't like unknown munitions or Ryan we all get it...

I love to see the transparency in the development of a product and pushing the boundaries of the market. I have no idea why you'd be so down on a product thats still conceptual at this point.

 

[lak2004]

The jumping to each unknown munitions thread and grinding the axe is pretty annoying and adds nothing of value to the threads. You don't like unknown munitions or Ryan we all get it...

I love to see the transparency in the development of a product and pushing the boundaries of the market. I have no idea why you'd be so down on a product thats still conceptual at this point.

No kidding. And the assumption that everyone on this board is a blow hard for UM is asinine.

 

[atmat]

Found samples on the on Google. I would say that does not meet my expectations.

Expectations of what? If it’s having a usable reticle through all mag range, than if you were to look through it in person, you’d see it satisfied that.