Would you buy this scope?

[N2TRKYS]

Man, sorry bout your eyes. My day is coming soon too I’m sure.

Not an eyesight thing. Just not a good hunting reticle.

 

[atmat]

Not an eyesight thing. Just not a good hunting reticle.

To you. Which is your opinion. Which you’re in the minority. Which may be based on your eyesight.

 

[Bandit16]

Not an eyesight thing. Just not a good hunting reticle.

I agree with you. The opposite of an illuminated reticle which is great for those early morning and late in the day hours. It disappears earlier as shooting light fades.

 

[wind gypsy]

I don’t love the reticle @2.5x in Dawn/dusk conditions that I encounter whitetail hunting but that’s kind of nature of the beast with a 15x ffp scope and this one is way better than most imo. Don’t recall the dot being the issue.

 

[Okie_Poke]

It is unlikely that Japan has them made before the summer classes. Best guess for now is by fall sometime.

I'm sure this is an insufferably annoying question, but are you thinking you'll have them for testing by this fall or that they'll be available for purchase some time this fall?

 

[Formidilosus]

I'm sure this is an insufferably annoying question, but are you thinking you'll have them for testing by this fall or that they'll be available for purchase some time this fall?

Prototypes for “testing”.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I don’t love the reticle @2.5x in Dawn/dusk conditions that I encounter whitetail hunting but that’s kind of nature of the beast with a 15x ffp scope and this one is way better than most imo. Don’t recall the dot being the issue.

I guess I don't understand the "need" for going down to 2.5X with the Maven SHR MIL? I killed 7 whitetails last year, two of which were under 50 yards in the hard woods/swamps of Northern Minnesota, both standing/unsupported kills.

I also killed two whitetails at first light, when light conditions were so low that bare eyes could barely make out the animal, and two whitetails at last light when light conditions were so low that bare eyes could barely make out the animal as well.

I've found that leaving the scope on 6-8X and leaving "zoom" alone is the most effective way to hunt, no matter if it's 600 yards across a canyon or 30 yards in the woods.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Not an eyesight thing. Just not a good hunting reticle.

It's for sure an eyesight or "personal" issue with you specifically, which is fine.

I can say that just myself personally, have seen at least 100 hunters, with experience levels from "professional" to "rank beginner", having zero issues making kills with that reticle from ground squirrels to moose and from 10 yards to past 1,00 yards.

 

[wind gypsy]

I guess I don't understand the "need" for going down to 2.5X with the Maven SHR MIL? I killed 7 whitetails this year, two of which were under 50 yards in the hard woods/swamps of Northern Minnesota, both standing/unsupported kills.

I also killed two whitetails at first light, when light conditions were so low that bare eyes could barely make out the animal, and two whitetails at last light when light conditions were so low that bare eyes could barely make out the animal as well.

I've found that leaving the scope on 6-8X and leaving "zoom" alone is the most effective way to hunt, no matter if it's 600 yards across a canyon or 30 yards in the woods.

I had deer 40 yards in front of me in a food plot at end of legal light and could barely find the damn thing in the scope (RS1.2) due to lighting constraints.. To me that means there are options that would perform better in that circumstance. I'm glad it works for you, for me 6x when shooting a deer at 20 yards in dark covered woods isn't ideal. Not saying i couldn't do it just that I'd prefer less mag.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I had deer 40 yards in front of me in a food plot at end of legal light and could barely find the damn thing in the scope (RS1.2) due to lighting constraints.. To me that means there are options that would perform better in that circumstance. I'm glad it works for you, for me 6x when shooting a deer at 20 yards in dark covered woods isn't ideal. Not saying i couldn't do it just that I'd prefer less mag.

Ah so it wasn't a reticle issue, you couldn't even make them out in the scope. Got it. I misunderstood.

 

[wind gypsy]

Ah so it wasn't a reticle issue, you couldn't even make them out in the scope. Got it. I misunderstood.

I mean its both. With that low of light a more visible reticle would be helpful.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I had deer 40 yards in front of me in a food plot at end of legal light and could barely find the damn thing in the scope (RS1.2) due to lighting constraints.. To me that means there are options that would perform better in that circumstance. I'm glad it works for you, for me 6x when shooting a deer at 20 yards in dark covered woods isn't ideal. Not saying i couldn't do it just that I'd prefer less mag.

This is something that always confuses me. I know that legal light is theoretically set at a specific time, but my experience has always been that it can really be a bit earlier or later. At a certain point, even if it is technically legal light, it still isn’t safe to shoot. It just seems to me that if it comes down to something as fine as “can see on 2.5x but can’t see on 6x”, a hunter probably shouldn’t be shooting. Not judging, just an observation.


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[Grizzle]

Also worth noting that different jurisdictions have different legal shooting time requirements. Some half an hour past sunset/ before sunrise and some an hour. Where I live in BC its one hour and in most conditions it is to dark to see before time is up, having good low light performance is a requirement here as I've shot many animals when seeing through the optic is brighter than naked eye

 

[wind gypsy]

This is something that always confuses me. I know that legal light is theoretically set at a specific time, but my experience has always been that it can really be a bit earlier or later. At a certain point, even if it is technically legal light, it still isn’t safe to shoot. It just seems to me that if it comes down to something as fine as “can see on 2.5x but can’t see on 6x”, a hunter probably shouldn’t be shooting. Not judging, just an observation.


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Legal light = Legally allowed shooting hours. If I can reasonably identity the target and beyond and where i'm pointing, it's "safe to shoot". If I cant get a clear picture through a 30 year old fogged up tasco that doesn't mean someone with a Schmidt and bender Polar wouldn't be able to get a clean picture of where their rifle is pointed. It's not a binary thing - if a guy has to strain and concentrate more to see, it'd be better if he didn't have to.

Also, with that logic can one assume that you deem all night hunting unsafe?

 

[JGRaider]

If I were hunting thick creek/swamp bottoms, a mil/moa reticle would be the last thing on my rifle. Give me a fixed 6 duplex/heavy duplex. I've killed at least 100 hogs in those conditions.

 

[atmat]

Legal light = Legally allowed shooting hours. If I can reasonably identity the target and beyond and where i'm pointing, it's "safe to shoot". If I cant get a clear picture through a 30 year old fogged up tasco that doesn't mean someone with a Schmidt and bender Polar wouldn't be able to get a clean picture of where their rifle is pointed. It's not a binary thing - if a guy has to strain and concentrate more to see, it'd be better if he didn't have to.

Also, with that logic can one assume that you deem all night hunting unsafe?

Would also add to this that visibility in the same general area at the same time can vastly differ.

Down in a draw with hardwoods? Forget about it.

On a slope above timber? Game on.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I mean its both. With that low of light a more visible reticle would be helpful.

Yeah man you zoom in a bit and the reticle becomes more visible

 

[KenLee]

Yeah man you zoom in a bit and the reticle becomes more visible

Kinda like turd glass that you have to crank to minimum magnification to gain a few more minutes at dusk. Neither situation is ideal

 

[JGRaider]

Would also add to this that visibility in the same general area at the same time can vastly differ.

Down in a draw with hardwoods? Forget about it.

On a slope above timber? Game on.

You don't say.........

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

There isn’t a perfect scope for every situation we encounter when hunting. With Rokslide being a dedicated backpack style back country hunt focused site, the target market isn’t “whitetails in the dark on a dark background”.

What I’m conveying here, with real world experience and examples, is that you don’t need a scope to be “just so” in order to kill animals in nearly all scenarios.

Would a differently designed scope be more ideal for a certain animal and hunt type? Sure.

Is the unreleased scope here going to ideal for 95+% of big game hunting scenarios across the globe? Yes.