Wolf Management News

[7mm-08]

It appears that the Biden administration has filed a motion with an appeals court to revive a Trump-era rule lifting the Endangered Species Act protections for gray wolves throughout the United States. If granted this relief, wolves would be placed under state oversight nationwide, which I endorse. This would open the door for wolf hunting to resume in the Great Lakes region, something our members from the mid-west (I'm sure) would embrace. Just something I wasn't expecting...

Biden Administration Is Trying To Eliminate Protections For Gray Wolves

The Biden administration asked an appeals court to revive a Trump-era rule that lifted remaining Endangered Species Act protections for gray wolves in the U.S.

www.huffpost.com

 

[WiscoHoundsman]

I’m all for lifting the wolf hunting ban in the Great Lakes region. This sounds like great news if it comes to fruition

 

[Djacker]

This is great news. Hunters for Hunters has been working hard on this issue in MN.

 

[JCS271]

Excellent news.

 

[SWOHTR]

Neat, I give it zero chance though.


“How can we swing voters and not actually deliver?”

 

[Grundy53]

Neat, I give it zero chance though.


“How can we swing voters and not actually deliver?”

Exactly. Their voters are the reason they aren't delisted in the great lakes region.

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[EdP]

It's a political move only. They can file a motion and have it granted and then it can be reversed immediately after the election. In order to make it stick it has to go through Congress and be signed by the President removing wolves from protection. That takes it out of the hands of judges and is exactly what was done with the snail darter so the Tellico Dam could be put in service.

 

[mjh]

Our state governor--now vp pick has a dismal record when it comes to the science of wildlife and natural resources management. Sure--when it's covid follow the science. But with Wildlife Management Area's it's break the law and wait to get caught. With wolf management with possible hunting--- not on his watch---not interested in science based management practices. Moose population decline---why blame it on climate change-- when research data shows multiple effects--including increased calf mortality due to wolf predation. Wolf population in MN could certainly be managed sustainably including the hunting of wolves. The anti's will fight it tooth and nail......

ALL land in the lower 48 is managed in some way shape or form and has been used by humans for a very long time. Science based and effective and relevant native based natural resources and wildlife management practices should be utilized to maintain what semi natural--natural--living and not living resources that are out there. Sometimes hunting and killing of living things is part of that process. We can do this randomly or we can do this in an organized manner with some monitoring, controls, seasonal adjustments.

Take at look at the killing of owls on the west coast to protect another species of owl.

 

[weekender7]

All I can do is hope it passes.

 

[Beendare]

Colorado DOW has an update on Wolves on their site.

They are proposing to add more wolves to the mix...even though some have already been relocated due to livestock depredation.

Who woulda figured, eh? Can you imagine, Wolves chasing the easy prey?

How stupid are these people that introduce wolves to a state with a high human population and a lot of livestock?

 

[Beendare]

Re the Biden admin; This is too little too late.

Wolves are ingrained in those northern states and we know from the pioneer days how hard it was to get rid of them.

They will proliferate now- they have proven to be very hard to control.

The wildlife depts. will spend a big part of their budgets dealing with these wolves and forsaking other species that actually add value. A lose lose...but the anti hunters are rejoicing.

 

[EdP]

All I can do is hope it passes.

It isn't a matter of passing legislation, it is a motion to be ruled on by the court of appeals. Ref: "The Biden administration has filed a motion..."

 

[7mm-08]

It's a political move only. They can file a motion and have it granted and then it can be reversed immediately after the election. In order to make it stick it has to go through Congress and be signed by the President removing wolves from protection. That takes it out of the hands of judges and is exactly what was done with the snail darter so the Tellico Dam could be put in service.

This is the key!

 

[Rotnguns]

In Idaho, we've been able to hunt and trap them for awhile now. Won't make a dent in the population. Once they were forced into our state over our strenuous objections, they thrived in our remote, mountainous terrain. Sadly, we had a very small and stable population of gray wolves in our state for many years before this apex predator was imported in large numbers.

 

[intunegp]

Colorado DOW has an update on Wolves on their site.

They are proposing to add more wolves to the mix...even though some have already been relocated due to livestock depredation.

Who woulda figured, eh? Can you imagine, Wolves chasing the easy prey?

How stupid are these people that introduce wolves to a state with a high human population and a lot of livestock?

That's not new...the original plan was to introduce 30-50 wolves over the next 3-5 years. The shenanigans going on now are just the first 10.

 

[Cheddar]

It appears that the Biden administration has filed a motion with an appeals court to revive a Trump-era rule lifting the Endangered Species Act protections for gray wolves throughout the United States. If granted this relief, wolves would be placed under state oversight nationwide, which I endorse. This would open the door for wolf hunting to resume in the Great Lakes region, something our members from the mid-west (I'm sure) would embrace. Just something I wasn't expecting...

Biden Administration Is Trying To Eliminate Protections For Gray Wolves

The Biden administration asked an appeals court to revive a Trump-era rule that lifted remaining Endangered Species Act protections for gray wolves in the U.S.

www.huffpost.com

no chance it goes through. there is a video done by randy newburg explaining how non profits sue federal agencies for stuff like and profit from the "equal access to justice act". It explains why land and wildlife managment always moves at a snails pace and why state agencies always have their hands tied to do what they think is best for their state. Here is the vid

 

[crimson702]

Just want to add some color to the legal position this case is in. It is a quite a bit more complicated than just being a "political" move, or an action that is "passed" or not.

The federal government delisted wolves across the United States in 2020 (Trump Administration). This was done for several reasons, including that when wolves were listed in the 1970s under the Endangered Species Act ("ESA"), they were listed as "threatened" in Minnesota, and "endangered" in the rest of the lower 48 (which doesn't make a whole lot of biological sense now with a huge population of Great Lakes wolves that are both threatened and endangered, along with other reasons); wolves in the lower 48 as a whole aren't likely a listable species under the ESA and probably need to be listed as distinct population segments if they are listed at all; and that wolves in the lower 48 are all interconnected with each other and wolves in Canada. Not to mention there are over 6,000 wolves in the lower 48.

Like always, this move was challenged by environmental groups but it was defended in the very beginning by the Biden administration. Now, they are likely defending it because 1) wolves are clearly recovered; 2) wolves are really listed incorrectly under the ESA; 3) if they didn't they would be sued by conservative states and hunting groups and would probably lose that case as well; and 4) they probably want to list wolves differently, i.e., listing certain populations (like wolves on the Pacific Coast, wolves in the North East, wolves in Colorado, etc.) as threatened/endangered and think these moves would be more legally defensible. The rule was challenged in the Northern District of California (i.e. San Francisco), which is obviously a smart legal move by the environmental groups. The district court judge ruled against the federal government, saying that the government made several analytical errors under the ESA (but said nothing about whether wolves should be listed or not, which is common in these sort of cases).

The case was then appealed to the 9th Circuit. Contrary to what most people think and say on hunting podcasts, (looking at you Newburg), this Circuit isn't as liberal as it used to be since many judges on the circuit were appointed by Trump, and the judges on the Circuit are almost evenly split liberal/conservative, although it still leans liberal. In any case, the Biden administration again decided to defend the delisting on appeal, which is especially notable as any case appealed to federal appellate court by the federal government requires approval by the higher-ups in the Department of Justice. A panel of 3 judges from the 9th Circuit will now hear the case, and then decide it in the next 1-2 years.

In short, not really a political decision, its now in the judges' hands, and while there has not been a great track record of cases like these being decided "well" by judges, I have significantly more hope here than in the past. It is a bit disappointing that several hunting podcasts and celebrities discuss cases like this, and other legal cases or actions by the federal administration, without really understanding what is going on. I have heard several podcasts essentially say this is a political move with nefarious motives, when really this is one of the few times we should support what the administration IS doing, since it is extremely rare that they make the right moves for wildlife, hunters, and the environment.

 

[jengland03]

A recent Joe Rogan Podcast with Diana K. Boyd goes pretty in-depth on the wolf reintroduction topic. It was a fascinating listen. She explained some of the behind the scenes reasoning from conservative politicians to push policy for the reintroduction of wolves.

 

[dtrkyman]

Diane was on Meateater as well, I just read her book and it's quite good. She is of course pro wolf but has a different perspective than most being so involved in their restoration.

Goes in depth on wolves from their early reintroductions. She was not a fan of it either, they were already coming on their own.

Regardless of opinions on wolf reintroduction the woman is a bad ass!

 

[jengland03]

Diane was on Meateater as well, I just read her book and it's quite good. She is of course pro wolf but has a different perspective than most being so involved in their restoration.

Goes in depth on wolves from their early reintroductions. She was not a fan of it either, they were already coming on their own.

Regardless of opinions on wolf reintroduction the woman is a bad ass!

There is no arguing that!