Winchester Model 70 Super Shadow

[ChromeHound]

For several years now I have seen used Winchester Model 70 Super Shadows selling for less than $400. I own one in .300wsm and have been impressed with the accuracy. Anyone know why these guns have such depressed values?

 

[Spoonbill]

For several years now I have seen used Winchester Model 70 Super Shadows selling for less than $400. I own one in .300wsm and have been impressed with the accuracy. Anyone know why these guns have such depressed values?

I believe they are pushfeeds and not controlled round feed winchesters.

 

[ChromeHound]

I believe they are pushfeeds and not controlled round feed winchesters.

It's a hybrid action they called the Controlled Round Push Feed (CRPF). If the bolt picks up the round from the magazine, the round is positively engaged by the bolt. However, the shooter is able to drop a round into an open action and close the bolt. In that instance, the action will act as a push feed. You are correct that it does not have the Mauser style claw extractor though.

 

[S-3 ranch]

I like them , good shooting guns, I think they are less money because of the short action and stock , metal finish
The action is good! Probably better than a controlled round feed for quick feeding and maybe stronger than a push feed
If they where longer action I bet people would be making African safari dangerous game rifle out of them
I would like to find one in 375 ruger

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Winchester had trouble getting the really short fat WSSM cartridges to feed in their CRF rifles. The solution was to modify them slightly. They looked like standard CRF rifles, but were really PF.

No other rifles were ever made with Controlled round push feed actions. The standard calibers, belted magnums and WSM's were made with either PF or true CRF. Only the WSSM chamberings ””

 

[ChromeHound]

I never thought of the short action angle. That does really limit the number of people that would use them for custom rifle jobs. I've been considering cannibalizing mine for a 6.5PRC build.

 

[S-3 ranch]

I never thought of the short action angle. That does really limit the number of people that would use them for custom rifle jobs. I've been considering cannibalizing mine for a 6.5PRC build.

Imo look at the 270wsm over a 6.5 prc , it’s a great round , the 270wsm is considered the best WSM made , a 325wsm is 2nd on the list as best

 

[SDHNTR]

Imo look at the 270wsm over a 6.5 prc , it’s a great round , the 270wsm is considered the best WSM made , a 325wsm is 2nd on the list as best

I’d argue that point all day long. Best according to whom and according to what metrics? So subjective it’s a silly statement. The 6.5 prc and .300 wsm beat either of those two by most any empirical or identifiable measurement. BC, bullet choice, optimal barrel twists available in factory rifles, and certainly ammo/component availability.

 

[S-3 ranch]

I’d argue that point all day long. Best according to whom and according to what metrics? So subjective it’s a silly statement. The 6.5 prc and .300 wsm beat either of those two by most any empirical or identifiable measurement. BC, bullet choice, optimal barrel twists available in factory rifles, and certainly ammo/component availability.

I personally would keep it 300wsm , but I am not going to argue with people about common misconceptions
If you like a prc be my guest it’s like debating whether a 6.5-284 Norma or 6.5 prc is better, the action is made for a WSM fat cartridge so imo a 270 seems more logical then a different manufacturer if recoil is the issue with 300

 

[Cahunter805]

I like them , good shooting guns, I think they are less money because of the short action and stock , metal finish
The action is good! Probably better than a controlled round feed for quick feeding and maybe stronger than a push feed
If they where longer action I bet people would be making African safari dangerous game rifle out of them
I would like to find one in 375 ruger

“”
Winchester had trouble getting the really short fat WSSM cartridges to feed in their CRF rifles. The solution was to modify them slightly. They looked like standard CRF rifles, but were really PF.

No other rifles were ever made with Controlled round push feed actions. The standard calibers, belted magnums and WSM's were made with either PF or true CRF. Only the WSSM chamberings ””
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That’s not correct. The WSM in a Super Shadow is a CRPF. I have had multiple of these. They are a solid action and great to build on.

 

[Cahunter805]

I never thought of the short action angle. That does really limit the number of people that would use them for custom rifle jobs. I've been considering cannibalizing mine for a 6.5PRC build.

Nothing wrong with using that action for a 6.5PRC.
I have a 6.5SAUM built off the WSM CRPF action and absolutely love it. The rifle is extremely accurate and feeds perfectly.
I did replace the stock and bottom metal when I built the rifle.

 

[ChromeHound]

Imo look at the 270wsm over a 6.5 prc , it’s a great round , the 270wsm is considered the best WSM made , a 325wsm is 2nd on the list as best

I the 270WSM is almost identical ballistically to the 300WSM. Plus, the twist rate on the 270wsm is too slow. The 6.8 Western is what the 270wsm should have been.

 

[COJoe]

I bought a used Super Shadow 300 WSM at a local gun shop with the original Leupold VX 1 scope three years ago. Scope rings were junk because they were slightly loose causing the scope to move every shot. I wasted a lot of expensive ammo before figuring it out. I plan on replacing the scope for next season but as it is now, it shoots very well. To my shame, I don't understand what the pros/cons are of the different feeds, PR, CRF, CRPF, but that's why I try to learn on Rokslide. For the average hunter, people like me who are limited on research time, how much does the type of feed matter? Especially if I keep it stock? Thanks for the post.

 

[ChromeHound]

I personally would keep it 300wsm , but I am not going to argue with people about common misconceptions
If you like a prc be my guest it’s like debating whether a 6.5-284 Norma or 6.5 prc is better, the action is made for a WSM fat cartridge so imo a 270 seems more logical then a different manufacturer if recoil is the issue with 300

The 300wsm is a great all around cartridge and may just keep it as is. I was thinking of building a rifle in 6.5prc and another in something like 300norma improved. Rather than 1 do it all rifle have one a step down and one a step up

 

[SDHNTR]

I bought a used Super Shadow 300 WSM at a local gun shop with the original Leupold VX 1 scope three years ago. Scope rings were junk because they were slightly loose causing the scope to move every shot. I wasted a lot of expensive ammo before figuring it out. I plan on replacing the scope for next season but as it is now, it shoots very well. To my shame, I don't understand what the pros/cons are of the different feeds, PR, CRF, CRPF, but that's why I try to learn on Rokslide. For the average hunter, people like me who are limited on research time, how much does the type of feed matter? Especially if I keep it stock? Thanks for the post.

For the average Joe, it doesn’t matter

 

[COJoe]

For the average Joe, it doesn’t matter

I resemble that remark......