Will a 22LR turn a dog?

[KenLee]

Situation like that. I'm not calling anybody. The issue was handled, and the less people involved the better IMO

The three "S" rule

 

[KenLee]

All my 22lr pistols and carbines are loaded with CCI "Stangers". A term of affection for the lil pills of death. Killed many wild dogs, coons, Bobcats, coyotes and a couple dozen whitetail with Stangers since 1975. Before buckshot was legal in Upstate SC when I was a kid, I'd rather shoot Stangers from a Marlin model 60 than old school 12 ga slugs from a smooth barrel shotgun...unless I was going to hunt super thick areas.
I'd pop an aggressive dog with the Stingers from your pistol without any hesitation if the pistol shoots them fairly accurately.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Back in the mid-1990s, my father was attacked by a bear dog that had run down and killed a deer.

He was out hunting with an antique Martini-action rifle in a now-obsolete cartridge (.41 Swiss) with hand loaded ammunition formed from .348 Winchester brass. He found a deer carcass. While he was examining it, a bear dog came up on him. When he extended his hand towards the dog, it bit his hand and arm. He attempted to shoot the dog, but the rifle misfired. He attempted to fend the dog off with the rifle barrel while frantically trying to recock the rifle and fire the round. Despite repeated attempts, the round would not fire. Because the custom ammunition was very tight, the dud round would not eject (the ejector was not strong enough to eject unfired rounds). His folding knife was in a sheath and he could not reach it while holding the rifle with both hands.

A second dog came up and began fighting with the first one. This gave him enough of a respite to use the wooden ramrod to eject the dud round. The first dog ran off the second dog and then attacked him again. He shot the dog.

He reported the incident to animal control. Animal control told him to go get his wounds checked out and bring in the dog’s head for rabies testing. He did both these things.

The dog’s owner followed the tracking collar onto our farm, where he found the headless dog and the deer carcass. He promptly called his friend/cousin in the DA’s office. The DA charged my dad with malicious wounding of an animal. His first lawyer tried to get him to take a plea deal that would have resulted in “only” 30 days in jail. he had to hire a second lawyer to get someone who cared more about his clients than his relationship with the DA. The judge eventually dismissed the criminal case for lack of evidence.

We went through three years of criminal and civil litigation before the matter was settled. I’ve known self-defense homicide cases wrapped up more quickly and with less trouble.

There’s a lot of local backstory to the whole mess, stuff going back to business dealings between my grandfather and the dog owner’s grandfather, previous disputes over poaching, people being members of different political parties, people “not being from around here” despite having been there since 1965, etc.

On a side note, in Virginia, if you own sheep, you can shoot stray dogs on your land with impunity. Growing up on the farm, we had a small pack of outdoor basset hound mixes that kept wandering and going missing. I later learned that a kid I used to ride the school bus with had shot at least twenty of our dogs over the course of a decade. His family owned a few sheep, so there was no legal recourse.

Things get crazy where dogs are concerned.

And I carry my P226 whenever I am on the farm.

Well if that isnt an east coast story I dunno what is. JFC

 

[bowhuntercoop]

Just take a can of wasp spray…..unlike bear spray, wasp spray will 100 percent kill it. As mentioned earlier in this thread their respiratory system is much different.

Wasp spray works great as a human detergent as well. If you spray a cat or dog with it through just be prepared, they will 100 percent die.

I had a conceal carry instructor that would advice college females living on campus who couldn’t legally carry to keep wasp spray in the bags and in the dorm rooms. I half thought he was full of shit.

Until one of my Marines volunteered to be sprayed. Dropped him faster then oc, pepper spray, or the gas chamber haha. Made me a believer.

 

[BLJ]

Noted

 

[Dr.Spaniel]

Shooting anything in the head with a 22 wmr usually does the trick. I’m cheap so I carry a rough rider in wmr with the 4 3/4 inch barrel, 2 snake shot and 4 hornady v-max as my trapping pistol.

 

[CMF]

I agree that 22LR can and usually will kill a dog, but more than 20 years ago, I went out to help a buddy put down his old, sick dog. Probably the cheapest of ammo, but that dog took one to the head and took off never to be seen again. I felt terrible, and if I ever had to put one down, I wouldn't use a 22.

Dogs are probably the main reason I carry in the woods, especially back in MS. I didn't think I had to worry as much in CO, but that changed in Aug on a sheep hunt. The wife dropped me off at a trailhead on NF at daylight with no cars in the parking lot. I get going down the trail, and I'm probably 3-500yds down the trail and I start hearing a dog bark, sounds aggressive, like it's after something. It starts getting closer. I had took my glock 43x 9mm off my chest holster and swapped for my wifes 380 lcp that I put in my pack lid to cut weight. As the barking gets closer, I drop my pack and get out the 380 and rack a round. I only had 6 rounds. A big az great pyranese comes flying around the corner of the trail and stops 15-20 ft from me barking, kicking dirt up and pissing on the bushes. I stand my ground and he stays about the same distance. His owner, an older woman up the trail and out of sight, is yelling for him and blowing the heck out of some whistle. The dog could have cared less, he goes back to her then comes back to me and gets within 10'. I holler at the lady that her dog is about to get shot. If I had had my glock with 10 rounds I would have put a warning shot in the dirt. I'll bet that would have freaked her out. He finally retreated back to her.
Had a buddy almost get attacked by a couple pits in MS during turkey season, luckily he had a shotgun.

If you're really worried about getting attacked, I'd probably have something bigger. A judge with some buckshot ammo would probably be good.

You're not likely to get attacked by any hunting dog, at least not that I've seen. I've been around deer and hog dogs and they're only worried about game.

And if you shoot a hunting dog you can be on the hook for thousands in restitution.

 

[RockAndSage]

Really surprised by the number of accounts guys are sharing of coming across wild dogs in the woods. I have to worry more about feral horses than feral dogs. Can't recall ever coming across one in Nevada. Is this more common east of the Mississippi, or is it happening in places like Montana and Idaho too?

Also - are these straight up feral dogs, as in born feral, vs runaways, vs just got loose?

 

[CMF]

Really surprised by the number of accounts guys are sharing of coming across wild dogs in the woods. I have to worry more about feral horses than feral dogs. Can't recall ever coming across one in Nevada. Is this more common east of the Mississippi, or is it happening in places like Montana and Idaho too?

I'd definitely say more common in the east just due to the fragmentation and mix of residential and hunting properties. I hunt a National Forest that's over 100k acres, but there's private chunks mixed all through it and on the edges and most of the residents in those rural areas let their dogs run free. When I ran cams, I had dogs on them all the time. It's not uncommon to be sitting a piece of public in MS and be in earshot of dogs, atv's, etc.

Also - are these straight up feral dogs, as in born feral, vs runaways, vs just got loose?

The ones I'm seeing are usually just loose, mostly on purpose, but maybe occasionally on accident.

 

[ohlongarm]

What value are you adding to the original poster question talking about your trained attack dogs?

This thread isn’t about you, or your completely un related comments.

You’re just looking to try and make yourself feel cool by interjecting about your trained attack dogs.

No body cares bro, it’s a hunting forum. And mals are culls imo

They add zero value to my life

Sir move on if my posts offend you,it's a free forum.Those dogs are used in law enforcement any problems with that?

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

Not to get sidetracked by attack dogs and laws pertaining dog killing... I never once thought about self defense from dogs until I had a 60-70lb stray dog look way too hard at my toddler in the neighborhood a while back. Consider me interested in the topic.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Sir move on if my posts offend you,it's a free forum.Those dogs are used in law enforcement any problems with that?

I just don’t understand how you feel you are contributing to the original posters with all your attack dogs talk that has nothing to do with anything.

You you just like to interject it on any topic concerning dogs to make yourself feel awesome because it’s you entire identity?


If I came into a thread about attack dogs and said poodles make great pets how would that be helpful?

 

[Steve300xcw]

Well said

 

[ohlongarm]

I just don’t understand how you feel you are contributing to the original posters with all your attack dogs talk that has nothing to do with anything.

You you just like to interject it on any topic concerning dogs to make yourself feel awesome because it’s you entire identity?


If I came into a thread about attack dogs and said poodles make great pets how would that be helpful?

Sir you're from Oregon that's part of your problem, identifying with real people., and the differences within each, by the way I'd love to hear about your poodles.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Sir you're from Oregon that's part of your problem, identifying with real people., and the differences within each, by the way I'd love to hear about your poodles.

You seem to not have the ability to answer a question.
What value does talking about attack dogs add to this conversation?

You appear to be LEO so don’t get started on not being able to relate to real people and thinking you can dominate people and are better off then them.

And ohh Mr knows everything

The majority of Oregon is very rural, you don’t know anything about me or who I am.

So keep your profiling to yourself and answer a question.

I know it’s not normal for you being the dominant Leo bro and all .

 

[Pharmseller]

It will take out a cat, but expect a runner if it’s not a CNS hit.

Cats die hard.

 

[ohlongarm]

You seem to not have the ability to answer a question.
What value does talking about attack dogs add to this conversation?

You appear to be LEO so don’t get started on not being able to relate to real people and thinking you can dominate people and are better off then them.

And ohh Mr knows everything

The majority of Oregon is very rural, you don’t know anything about me or who I am.

So keep your profiling to yourself and answer a question.

I know it’s not normal for you being the dominant Leo bro and all .

You're correct I know nothing about you,and I already know more than I care to, and personally don't want to know anything more about you.here's one I sold to Berlin Germany police dept, about 7, years agh wait this has nothing to do with this conversation.His grandson in my possession and yes gunfire to the face doesn't even phase him.