Why Did You Sell Your Burris Veracity PH FFP?

[JDZ]

Burris Veracity PH FFP. Post your experience.
I searched and can't really find any actual reviews of these scopes. But I found a lot for sale in the classified ads. I think I'm interested in the 2.5-12x or 3-15x. Intended use would be big game out to 500 yards. It seems like it would have all the features of a good hunting scope for fast, easy, no-brain operation. Dial for distance, hold for wind, FFP, so holds are easy. Illumination. Good eye relief specs. What's wrong with this scope?

For reference, other scopes I have most experience with are Leupold VX-3i and VX-5HD with Windplex reticles and verified CDS dials. SFP, no illumination.

 

[Andouille]

For me, the 4-20x was more scope than I needed for a 6.5 cm lightweight rifle that I dont plan to shoot over 500 yds. Great glass, nice dials, good zero stop, good phone app, and easy to connect to scope. But I'm going to simpler SWFA dial MIL scopes on all my rifles.

 

[LongWayAround]

Burris makes dumb scopes.

Seriously, why do you want a bunch of electronic b.s. in your rifle scope?

So you have to upload your data to an app, pair your phone to the scope, range the target, and dial the "clickless turret" to that range. Wtf?

Or... You could burn a couple boxes of ammo to learn how to actually use a basic scope and what your gun is doing.

Besides my personal opinion that it is dumb, all of that extra stuff is just more that could malfunction.

 

[JDZ]

Found a few decent reviews in this thread. I guess I didn't search back far enough, and somebody just brought it back up:

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Thread 'Burris Veracity Precision Hunter (PH) reviews?'

Jun 26, 2023

Looking for any reviews on the new Burris Veracity PH scope with fancy electronic bullet drop compensation built in. Seems like I can't find much on YouTube or any forum. I would like to know the quality of the glass especially in low light environments.

Trying to decide between that and a Bushnell Match Pro ED on a new Sig Cross 308 hunting rifle.

Thanks!

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Burris makes dumb scopes.

Seriously, why do you want a bunch of electronic b.s. in your rifle scope?

So you have to upload your data to an app, pair your phone to the scope, range the target, and dial the "clickless turret" to that range. Wtf?

Or... You could burn a couple boxes of ammo to learn how to actually use a basic scope and what your gun is doing.

Besides my personal opinion that it is dumb, all of that extra stuff is just more that could malfunction.

Yes, I don't want to run electronics in the field. But, my understanding is that you don't run the phone or app or pair the phone to the scope in the field. All of that is done ahead of time on the target range while your burning ammo as you normally would. Then in the field, it turns into a basic scope that happens to show the dial position (as yardage) in the optical view. Just range, dial, shoot. That seems very useful, but asked why others sold theirs. It seems to me, worst case if the electronics fail, you're left with the same scope you can just dial. Really no downside to a malfunction compared to any other scope.

Thoughts?

 

[RWT]

No zero stop

 

[LongWayAround]

@JDZ

I have played with one of those scopes a very small amount. You are correct that the pairing, etcetera takes place prior to being in the field.

Data was uploaded or whatever by someone else and I was handed the gun. The target was a standard steel plate at 550 yards. I ended up having to adjust the turret to about 500 yards to hit center.

The biggest issue I see with the overall idea is the same problem I have with CDS turrets. There is no way to compensate for atmospherics or load variables.

I also think the Sig BDX scope system with a similar idea is dumb. There's a video of the Elk101 guys missing repeatedly, ostensibly because of bad data. If you have a standard scope and miss by feet, you adjust on the fly instead of wondering why.

Let's say you do something dumb like go on a trip and forget your ammo that the scope is calibrated to. You buy a couple boxes and re-zero. Is 500yd on the "clickless turret" still 500yd?

In the review thread linked, one user suggests using a zip tie to attach a hand warmer to the turret to keep the battery warm. I'm not throwing shade on the suggestion or that user, but is there ever a place that would be acceptable? For me the answer is "no". Where I hunted Saturday, the high was about 15°. Do you trust the battery at that temperature?

 

[JDZ]

No zero stop

Burris advertises that the Veracity PH has a zero stop.

 

[Shadowbuck]

I have been wondering the same about these scopes. I would love to hear from someone that has actually used one. Of course they aren't perfect for every situation, noting is. For a sub 500 yd hunting rifle I think the ballistics would be more than adequate. I believe the new version has a zero stop.

 

[PsRpOiGrRiAtM]

I've played around with the 4-20. It's a lot of scope, and I was able to make first round hits out past 1000yds on big steel. It's a cool concept, but it boils down to quality of data input. You can pair the scope that morning with new data if you wanted to, I guess. But it's also the same issue that anyone would have with a traditional non-tech scope. You have to know your data for that day in order to dial properly--this just has a "cool" interface to dial without having to lift your head off the stock. The scope is not for everyone, but it's fun to shoot, and effective in the limited times I've messed with mine. It wouldn't be my go-to for all my rifles by any means, but I have to give credit where credit is due--Burris pushes the envelope with technology for the masses.

 

[JDZ]

Thanks for all the responses.

Is the glass terrible?
Is the eye box tight?
Does the reticle stink for hunting?

Data was uploaded or whatever by someone else and I was handed the gun. The target was a standard steel plate at 550 yards. I ended up having to adjust the turret to about 500 yards to hit center.

Okay. So somebody uploaded bad dope and handed you a rifle. No different than if somebody handed you a bad dope card for any other system.

There is no way to compensate for atmospherics or load variables.

I guess I would simply verify the results and adjust accordingly. If I'm off 1 MOA at 550, then adjust speed or BC or other variable to obtain the verified results. Same as any other system. The same could be said of a printed dope card. The alternative is to run electronics on the mountain, which we agree is not desirable.

If you have a standard scope and miss by feet, you adjust on the fly

I don't see how this would be any different on this scope. Miss by 2 MOA, then adjust 2 MOA. Same as any scope.

Let's say you do something dumb like go on a trip and forget your ammo that the scope is calibrated to. You buy a couple boxes and re-zero. Is 500yd on the "clickless turret" still 500yd?

The turret is click less. But I understand it still has graduations. I guess if I can't feel clicks, I would just lift my head up and look at the turret, just like any other scope.

In the review thread linked, one user suggests using a zip tie to attach a hand warmer to the turret to keep the battery warm. I'm not throwing shade on the suggestion or that user, but is there ever a place that would be acceptable? For me the answer is "no". Where I hunted Saturday, the high was about 15°. Do you trust the battery at that temperature?

I also read that hand warmer idea. That one is laughable. Reliance on batteries in the backcountry is definitely a problem. But I guess I don't see that a dead battery renders the whole system useless.

 

[LongWayAround]

I do agree that the possible issues I mentioned could be applied to any traditional scope.

Admittedly, I have limited experience with the system. My gut reaction to it in that instance was that I did not like it. It may be an effective "easy button" for some.

I don't recall having any complaints about eye box, reticle, or glass quality.

Their scope that has the built-in rangefinder does have poor glass quality. Based on one time using it.