Who's Elk?

[H2PVon]

I can't believe the things people will do for antlers. They should have already decided if only one of them scores they split the meat 50/50 so it really is all about who keeps the antlers.
I have to look at myself in the mirror. The uncle is blood trailing it. There is obviously a wound that is bleeding. The nephew should see the wound in the scope. He knows which shot was his. If there wasn't an exit or entrance that he could see, the wound is on the other side and we all know what are fatal shots and what aren't.
I agree with whoever said it earlier, these two have bigger issues than an elk. (I might even give it to the other just so I could keep hunting)
Edit: One reason to choose hunting campanions wisely.

 

[Sled]

lots of hypothetical situations. here's one more: take the family ties of it and see if you answer changes with two unknown parties. i've seen this with whitetail hunters in the past that hunt similar utility lines and road cuts.

very few hunters will concede they didn't make a lethal shot. if your animal runs off and is alive an hour later limping along, chances are it has the ability to live. if it's bedded down somewhere it may be on the way out but still no one knows until it dies or next year comes.

all things being equal, we can probably agree that people get stupid when antlers/horns are involved.

 

[rustneversleeps]

He shot it twice and somehow it made it through a pass and on the other side of the mountain? Also, how do we know the Uncle didn't just go to the Nephew's gun shot and wasn't actually actively tracking it? How far away from the elk was the Uncle when the Nephew shot it? Why did the guide take the Nephew instead of the Uncle?

Too many unanswered questions, but from the vague details I would definitely say it's the Nephews.

 

[T3clay]

It's the guides

 

[tt_johnsclist]

Who tagged it? It’s theirs!


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[Jpugs]

It’s whoever put the final fatal kill shot! Who cares, split the meat as it was a joint effort and keep hunting!

 

[ahlgringo]

Would this be considered “party hunting”?


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[cnelk]

Would this be considered “party hunting”?

Not unless they both kept hunting after one tag was punched.

 

[SWOHTR]

thats pretty foolish to say... a year passed, clearly non lethal, in the case posed, it was an hour, still the same outing from camp

uncle never gave up on that animal, he was still tracking, and tracking well, he found it...

he never gave up and went back to camp

And what if the initial shot wasn’t lethal? (We will never know if it was or not). Then it just turns into someone tracking an animal. Point being, the other hunter doesn’t know someone else is in active pursuit of the animal.

I’ve seen both ways. At the end of the day, I would rather keep the peace and if the animal means more to the other guy...he can take it. I’ll keep hunting.


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[Tailz190]

It’s a tough situation- lots of variables and what if’s - I let the biggest buck I’ve ever seen in the wild (~180) walk at ten yds because it was shot in the shoulder - always kick myself for not putting it down , but I felt like I was cheating- sure enough the hunter from the neighboring property trespassed following the animal right under my tree - - he probably never recovered it but I thought what happens when I shoot the buck and the guy comes looking for it and I’m field dressing it - still haunts me lol


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[ahlgringo]

Not unless they both kept hunting after one tag was punched.

from CPW regs- it is illegal to

20. Party hunt (i.e. kill someone else’s game or let someone kill yours).

 

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My dad once wounded a buck he would have eventually gotten it as it was getting slow but I took the pickup about 2.5 miles to get ahead of the buck I shot and killed it and I tagged it. Dads hit was not a fatal hit mine was that’s how we looked at it anyway.

 

[cnelk]

from CPW regs- it is illegal to

20. Party hunt (i.e. kill someone else’s game or let someone kill yours).

This was in Wyoming. Do you have WGF regs on that?

 

[ckleeves]

I personally don’t want to tag anything that wasn’t 100% when I shot it. If I felt that in any way the other party’s wounding of said animal helped aid me in killing it then I don’t want it.

These conversations always leave me kinda baffled. People have some serious issues if they are fighting over a dead elk.

Maybe one of them could keep the Mount weekends during the school year, all federal holidays and during summer break and the other could have it the rest of the year?

 

[Deertick]

Years ago, I shot a whitetail buck. (The largest I ever shot ... 170” class) . It was a bad hit. Muzzleloader season. Luckily, it ran toward my buddy’s stand. He shot it. Also a non lethal hit. I ended up killing it but we both had slugs it him.

Long story short: his mount is in my buddy’s house now. Known as “The Two Johns Buck”. It’ll be mine if we die in the predicted order someday. I love looking at him and I’m almost more honored that he’s in my buddy’s house than mine. After all, every day my buddy sees that mount, he HAS to think of me, and thats a great honor.

 

[OFFHNTN]

How far did it go from the uncles shots to where the nephew killed it? Any where did the uncle hit it?

I tend to favor the nephew here. The same thing happened to me on a Roosevelt elk muzzy hunt. I hit a bull, knocked it down, we tracked it, and let it lay over night. The next day it limped past another hunter in camp about 200 yards from where I hit it and he shot it. I don't believe my shot would've been fatal other than maybe months later. I never questioned who's it was and congratulated the other hunter on HIS elk.

 

[grizz1971]

As already mentioned change this story to two hunters that are unrelated and what are your thoughts then? Legally in this scenario it is the nephew's, ethically, well that is a different story.

 

[SoDaky]

The American hunters dream/dilemma-horns.

 

[hobbes]

What if this scenario was a bowhunting story?

Bowhunter Ed, at least the classes that I've been involved with, teaches that the first person to make a lethal trackable shot owns the animal. While that could still be argued by unreasonable people, its not that difficult to determine. If I've shot an animal through the chest cavity and someone puts another through it while I'm trailing....... I'd consider it mine. It would suck, but I'm not getting in a brawl on the mountain over it. I would voice my opinion (probably rather loudly) to any adult (maybe not so much if it's a kid even if the parent should know better) but that's probably as far as I'd go.

If I gut shoot it and someone shoots it and kills it while I'm trailing.... I'd consider it theirs even if it would likely eventually be a lethal shot.

I suppose that shots somewhere in between those could be the stickiest. Unreasonable people will never admit that it's not theirs no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

 

[ChrisS]

I'm a first blood kind of guy if I'm hunting with friends and relatives. If my buddy wounds an animal, I'm no longer hunting, but helping him finish it off. That's generally how our deer camp operates. We hunt together and when animals get killed a long way from camp, the hunt is over and we pitch in to get everything back to camp safely. Last season a rookie hunter wounded a small buck, which bled like hell, but kept moving. We were close to dark and decided to come back in the morning to pick up the trail and recover it or finish it off if needed. The next morning, four of us and the original shooter, picked up the trail and eventually found the overnight bed, deer was gone and limping up a hillside. Another hour of tracking and we got shots at it, putting it down. Without even discussing it, it was unquestionably our rookie hunter's deer. Now, that deer ended up looping a few miles in a circle and died about 30 yards from a road. If it had come out to the road and been shot and killed by another hunter, I don't know how that would have gone down, but it would probably be the other hunter's buck.

Situational. Though I'm not sure I'd want to hunt with that family.