Who is Gunwerk’s target customer

[LightFoot]

Who is Gunwerks’ target customer?
I am… and you are.

Gunwerks get a bad rep, but when compared to Proof rifles at $7K (amongst others), I’ll stick with my Gunwerks.

That being said, my Tikka shoots as good as my Gunwerks.

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[WVELK]

On a hunt now. A guy is here with a GW. 1000 yards out of the box, good to go or so he thinks. He shot 650 yards earlier in the week and failed to adjust for spin drift and failed to adjust for wind. Both needed adjustments to the left. He missed 18 to 24 inches right. Maybe a great gun. I do not know I do not know. My point is he did not even know to adjust so it failed.

 

[WVELK]

Who is Gunwerks’ target customer?
I am… and you are.

Gunwerks get a bad rep, but when compared to Proof rifles at $7K (amongst others), I’ll stick with my Gunwerks.

That being said, my Tikka shoots as good as my Gunwerks.

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No sure who you are, but glad you enjoy yours.

 

[Kimber7man]

On a hunt now. A guy is here with a GW. 1000 yards out of the box, good to go or so he thinks. He shot 650 yards earlier in the week and failed to adjust for spin drift and failed to adjust for wind. Both needed adjustments to the left. He missed 18 to 24 inches right. Maybe a great gun. I do not know I do not know. My point is he did not even know to adjust so it failed.

Did the gun fail or was it the shooter??

 

[CMP70306]

On a hunt now. A guy is here with a GW. 1000 yards out of the box, good to go or so he thinks. He shot 650 yards earlier in the week and failed to adjust for spin drift and failed to adjust for wind. Both needed adjustments to the left. He missed 18 to 24 inches right. Maybe a great gun. I do not know I do not know. My point is he did not even know to adjust so it failed.

Spin drift is like 3” at 600 yards, and a 5 mph wind is 10” on a 6.5 PRC at western elevations, less on the 7 or 300.

Sounds more like a bad wind call than a gun problem.

 

[MacJenkins]

I have a good friend that has used one now for a good 7-8 years. He's very wealthy, has not worked in decades, most years spends over a $1M on hunts. He has zero desire to learn to load ammo and likes the "concierge" like service they offer . The system works for him and he shoots it very well.

 

[180ls1]

Same guy who buys a Ford Raptor/Tremor or what have you.

Some guys like the easy button and will pay a premium for it, others like the base model f150 and want to build it for themselves.

Both are fine but it seems like the "Built not bought" crowd is a little more vocal.

 

[SDHNTR]

Same guy who buys a Ford Raptor/Tremor or what have you.

Some guys like the easy button and will pay a premium for it, others like the base model f150 and want to build it for themselves.

Both are fine but it seems like the "Built not bought" crowd is a little more vocal.

I understand your analogy, but buying a Tremor (which I am admittedly about to do) or already built Jeep or something is an entirely different thought process as it does not involve the taking of a life (at least hopefully not!).

Imo, when we are talking about the killing of a live animal, there is a certain sanctity and seriousness involved, one that should not involve shortcuts. It’s something that should require additional commitment. The “build” part of the process and the deeper understanding that comes with direct involvement in said process is important when it comes to killing a breathing creature at long range. This is not something just anyone should be able to do.

The guy that just takes the rifle out of the box to go shoot his 1000 yards does not understand lot changes. Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Does not understand DA. Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. Does not understand stock bedding. Does not understand torque settings. Does not understand a plumb reticle. Does not understand ES or SD. Etc…

IMO, one must understand such aspects to ethically shoot at animals at distance. It should be something earned and learned, not just bought.

 

[180ls1]

I understand your analogy, but buying a Tremor (which I am admittedly about to do) or already built Jeep or something is an entirely different thought process as it does not involve the taking of a life (at least hopefully not!).

Imo, when we are talking about the killing of a live animal, there is a certain sanctity and seriousness involved, one that should not involve shortcuts. It’s something that should require additional commitment. The “build” part of the process and the deeper understanding that comes with direct involvement in said process is important when it comes to killing a breathing creature at long range. This is not something just anyone should be able to do.

The guy that just takes the rifle out of the box to go shoot his 1000 yards does not understand lot changes. Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Does not understand DA. Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. Does not understand stock bedding. Does not understand torque settings. Does not understand a plumb reticle. Does not understand ES or SD. Etc…

IMO, one must understand such aspects to ethically shoot at animals at distance. It should be something earned and learned, not just bought.

I hear you on that front, however, I think a lot of car guys would disagree. To many of them is its also every bit a sacred and quasi spiritual endeavor.

They would say the same about you and think you don't deserve X vehicle without knowing how to properly tune your own tipple bypass shocks, tig weld aluminum etc..

To each their own.

 

[bmart2622]

I understand your analogy, but buying a Tremor (which I am admittedly about to do) or already built Jeep or something is an entirely different thought process as it does not involve the taking of a life (at least hopefully not!).

Imo, when we are talking about the killing of a live animal, there is a certain sanctity and seriousness involved, one that should not involve shortcuts. It’s something that should require additional commitment. The “build” part of the process and the deeper understanding that comes with direct involvement in said process is important when it comes to killing a breathing creature at long range. This is not something just anyone should be able to do.

The guy that just takes the rifle out of the box to go shoot his 1000 yards does not understand lot changes. Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Does not understand DA. Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. Does not understand stock bedding. Does not understand torque settings. Does not understand a plumb reticle. Does not understand ES or SD. Etc…

IMO, one must understand such aspects to ethically shoot at animals at distance. It should be something earned and learned, not just bought.

Pretty broad brush to paint everone that buys a built rifle!!

 

[Kimber7man]

I understand your analogy, but buying a Tremor (which I am admittedly about to do) or already built Jeep or something is an entirely different thought process as it does not involve the taking of a life (at least hopefully not!).

Imo, when we are talking about the killing of a live animal, there is a certain sanctity and seriousness involved, one that should not involve shortcuts. It’s something that should require additional commitment. The “build” part of the process and the deeper understanding that comes with direct involvement in said process is important when it comes to killing a breathing creature at long range. This is not something just anyone should be able to do.

The guy that just takes the rifle out of the box to go shoot his 1000 yards does not understand lot changes. Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Does not understand DA. Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. Does not understand stock bedding. Does not understand torque settings. Does not understand a plumb reticle. Does not understand ES or SD. Etc…

IMO, one must understand such aspects to ethically shoot at animals at distance. It should be something earned and learned, not just bought.

Looking at it just one other way, if one wanted to cut to the chase:

Does not understand lot changes. Doesn’t need to, GW custom loads his ammo.
Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Doesn’t need to, only uses GW custom loaded ammo. Sells the once fired or sends it back to GW.
Does not understand DA. GW Revic app accounts for that and informs him what to dial.
Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. GW figured that out for him, he tried several of their stocks and selected the Clymer stock.
Does not understand stock bedding. Doesn’t need to, GW custom beds the rifle.
Does not understand torque settings. Doesn’t need to, GW mounted and torqued his scope rail, rings and action screws.
Does not understand a plumb reticle. Doesn’t need to, GW mounted his scope plumb.
Does not understand ES or SD. Doesn’t need to, GW custom loads his ammo based upon developing loads in his rifle.

For every point, one could have a counter point.

 

[TheWhitetailNut]

I understand your analogy, but buying a Tremor (which I am admittedly about to do) or already built Jeep or something is an entirely different thought process as it does not involve the taking of a life (at least hopefully not!).

Imo, when we are talking about the killing of a live animal, there is a certain sanctity and seriousness involved, one that should not involve shortcuts. It’s something that should require additional commitment. The “build” part of the process and the deeper understanding that comes with direct involvement in said process is important when it comes to killing a breathing creature at long range. This is not something just anyone should be able to do.

The guy that just takes the rifle out of the box to go shoot his 1000 yards does not understand lot changes. Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Does not understand DA. Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. Does not understand stock bedding. Does not understand torque settings. Does not understand a plumb reticle. Does not understand ES or SD. Etc…

IMO, one must understand such aspects to ethically shoot at animals at distance. It should be something earned and learned, not just bought.

If that is genuinely your concern: May I suggest you focus your attention on guys who shoot cheap rifles, not expensive ones.

Many of the things in the center of your argument are exactly what is eliminated by buying a GW.

 

[SDHNTR]

Looking at it just one other way, if one wanted to cut to the chase:

Does not understand lot changes. Doesn’t need to, GW custom loads his ammo.
Does not understand new brass vs fired brass. Doesn’t need to, only uses GW custom loaded ammo. Sells the once fired or sends it back to GW.
Does not understand DA. GW Revic app accounts for that and informs him what to dial.
Does not understand proper stock selection and geometry. GW figured that out for him, he tried several of their stocks and selected the Clymer stock.
Does not understand stock bedding. Doesn’t need to, GW custom beds the rifle.
Does not understand torque settings. Doesn’t need to, GW mounted and torqued his scope rail, rings and action screws.
Does not understand a plumb reticle. Doesn’t need to, GW mounted his scope plumb.
Does not understand ES or SD. Doesn’t need to, GW custom loads his ammo based upon developing loads in his rifle.

For every point, one could have a counter point.

All fair points.

At the same time, very few people use a compass anymore because we have GPS, but isn’t basic orienteering a critical skill?

 

[Kimber7man]

All fair points.

At the same time, very few people use a compass anymore because we have GPS, but isn’t basic orienteering a critical skill?

LMAO yep. Was back at my college for an advisors meeting today and we were discussing how kids don’t even know how to tell where East is if you point them North….

 

[Timjohnson11]

At the outset, in full disclosure I have never shot a Gunwerks rifle, never seen one, and don’t know anyone who has one or has seen anyone who has one. They may be the best rifle ever built. I do not know. I own more than a couple custom rifles. I enjoy reloading and load development. I have spent a lot of money on a custom rifle (lets say $7,500) in the past.

Who is paying the money for Gunwerks? And, why? Do they not reload, not want to do load development?

Apparently @Ryan Avery as this was on UM’s instagram today. That is Ryan right?!

 

[ctafoya]

I was always a hater. My buddy in MN picked up one. 6.5-284 in lefty. First shot I made at 1000 yards was dead on. Not bad for have never shot the rifle with the bolt on the wrong side. Smoothest rifle I ever shot. He has the money to burn, so why the heck not. I would.

He got 100 rounds from them with the rifle and tweaked it just a bit. Game changer. If I had the money I'd be in the club.

 

[WVELK]

Did the gun fail or was it the shooter??

I would say 100 percent shooter. My point is just because you buy one does not mean you can be deadly accurate at distance in real life hunting scenarios. You still have to put in sufficient time and effort to learn and maintain the fundamentals and foundation for accurate shooting.

 

[M1SF1T]

I shoot a Tikka now with Leica glass but I think GWs are sweet rifles. I know of a number of serious hunters that swear on them. I have considered them for my next rifle from my preferred gun store. I appreciate them as quality built rifles with things I'm looking for in my next rifle and I don't have much access to a custom builder where I'm at... so there they are offering what I want... I wouldn't consider buying their ammo though and would load my own.

All that said, I have a F350 Tremor too so maybe I'm just a simp. I calculated the $4K Tremor package cost was actually cheaper than upgrading a base Lariat with new wheels and tires and shocks, leveling the front, adding rear lockers, skid plates, diff breathers and more aftermarket... plus you get modes and features that you just couldn't add on your own if you wanted to...

Sure, I'm tweaking lots on the truck after 2.5 years with it now, but I was off the lot on day 1, capable and having fun back road and off road and towing in BC without F.ing around... love the truck.

I'm sure it would go the same with a GW.

 

[HuntHarder]

I would say 100 percent shooter. My point is just because you buy one does not mean you can be deadly accurate at distance in real life hunting scenarios. You still have to put in sufficient time and effort to learn and maintain the fundamentals and foundation for accurate shooting.

I don't think anyone disagrees with your statement. It's the false, blanket statement that Gunwerks customers don't practice, that is incorrect. Gunwerks pushes their shooting classes pretty hard. The gun is capable of shooting LR. The shooter may or may not be.

 

[Kimber7man]

And the point being, those people who aren’t “gun people” shouldn’t be shooting at live animals at “1000 yards out of the box.” That is a specialized skill set that absolutely should only be performed by “gun people” who are intimately familiar with all aspects of their rifle system. Not those that are only interested in the results.

@SDHNTR
I am now with you on this point. I just bought some ammo from Gunwerks (6 creed and 7SAUM custom loaded for $35??? Sign me up!!). Arrived today and here’s the tape on the box. The advertising runs strong….