Which magnum rifle

So it looks like we've settle on the Bergara HMR in 6.5 prc. Now to decide on optics.
That's a whole another ball of wax. First pick SFP or FFP. I've always been an SFP fan but the last 5 years have realized how much I appreciate the versatility of an FFP for how I hunt. I would also recommend sticking with SWFA over some of the other more advertised options. Since I've started using SWFA, when I go to "check" zero, I'm not going need to adjust anything based on the scope losing zero.

For magnification and objective size, pick something that works for your intended use. As long as it has a low enough magnification on the bottom end you can pretty much hunt with anything. If you're hunting in the dark woods it might be nice to have a larger objective.
 
He's 15, anything other than a Nightforce isn't gonna be cool and the SWFA turrets are fugly. NX8 or or one of the higher end Trijicon scopes. He'll probably have this rifle/scope combo for 50 years so buy once cry once applies nicely here.
 
When I read the title of this thread, I thought you were about to burn the entire forum down 🤣

I’ve got a 12 and 14 year old, and I’m still going back and forth on what I think is best for them. Between the two of them, they’ve killed over 25 big game animals in the last five years, using calibers ranging from .22-250, .260, and 6.5 PRC to .300 WSM and .300 PRC (couple archery kills as well)

You’d think I would’ve started them small and worked up as they got bigger but I did the opposite. My older boy’s first year hunting, he killed everything with a .300 WSM. My younger boy’s first year, he killed everything with a .300 PRC. They both started hunting at 10.

Everything I own, with the exception of the .300 PRC is a Tikka in an XLR chassis (the .300 PRC is a full custom in an XLR). I even bought them a Tikka T1x .22 LR and dropped it into an XLR, and they shoot the piss out of that thing. All summer they shoot the .22 LR, .22-250s, and .260, and then we’d send 1–3 rounds downrange with the bigger guns each range session just to keep their confidence up.

Two years ago I decided to try a 6.5 PRC, and I haven’t touched any of my .30 cals since. The boys love it and will shoot it all day long, suppressed, with ports on the end to help reduce recoil.

This past year I’ve been feeling my older boy out on what he’d want for his first “own” big game rifle. Every time, he says .300 WSM because that’s what he started with and he thinks it’s cool. I hope it doesn’t break his heart when he opens a new Tikka 6.5 PRC on Christmas morning in a couple weeks, but I just couldn’t bring myself to buy him a .300. If he really wants to take a .30 cal on an elk or bear hunt, he can grab one of mine but I know he’ll enjoy the 6.5 a lot more during range sessions.

As far as optics go, we’ve run a lot of glass over the last few years. The NX8 eyebox wasn’t very forgiving, and they struggled with it in field shooting positions. My older boy would probably be fine now, but after his first season I sold the three I had and switched to NXS scopes with a much more forgiving eyebox.

We’ve also had Zeiss V4s and Vortex LHTs. I had trust issues with the V4s, so I sold them. I had a VX-5 as well, but after the drop test on here, that one went too. The LHT was the 4-22 FFP, and the boys didn’t care for FFP at low power when calling coyotes.

Their two favorite scopes right now are the 5.5-22×56 NXS and the 3-18 Trijicon Tenmile. They’re still on the fence about the FFP Tenmile for low-power predator hunting. For low-light and bear hunting, my older boy prefers the NXS, where only the center of the reticle illuminates instead of the entire thing.

He also helped me dial in a load for a buddy’s 6.5 PRC this summer that had a Trijicon Credo 4-16×50 on it. He really liked that scope as an SFP option but was worried it might not have enough top-end magnification. Both boys prefer the NXS turrets, hard to argue with the solid clicks on a Nightforce.

I’d try to get your son behind as many scopes as possible. If you post what optics you’re considering and your location, I’m sure there are guys on here who would meet up for a range session and let your son look through their setups. Looking through scopes in a store just isn’t the same as using them in the field.

I bought him the rifle, but I want him to have some ownership in it, so I’m going to have him pay for half of whatever scope he chooses. I’m really curious to see what he picks and I’d bet it’ll take him a month or two because he really thinks things through.

Same deal with the stock. If he wants an XLR, I’ll split the cost with him. If he wants to try a HNT26, Rokstock, or something else, I’ll split that too. When they first started, I pulled the folders off the XLRs to shorten the LOP and ran the heavier TR-2 buttstock to help manage recoil.
 
I just can’t get behind any of the suggestions of a teenager shooting a braked magnum. I have tinnitus in my 40’s from doing dumb things like that. I have taught my boys to protect their hearing like it’s gold, b/c it is. They have seen what hearing loss does first hand to me.

Sorry, but no…

Get him a suppressor for his 7-08 and get the barrel threaded. Cans are “cool” and he will like it so much he will forget about wanting a 300… then you will get a can too. His on target performance will go up, enjoyment will go up and overall he will be stoked. Spending the money on that is my suggestion.
 
When I read the title of this thread, I thought you were about to burn the entire forum down 🤣

I’ve got a 12 and 14 year old, and I’m still going back and forth on what I think is best for them. Between the two of them, they’ve killed over 25 big game animals in the last five years, using calibers ranging from .22-250, .260, and 6.5 PRC to .300 WSM and .300 PRC (couple archery kills as well)

You’d think I would’ve started them small and worked up as they got bigger but I did the opposite. My older boy’s first year hunting, he killed everything with a .300 WSM. My younger boy’s first year, he killed everything with a .300 PRC. They both started hunting at 10.

Everything I own, with the exception of the .300 PRC is a Tikka in an XLR chassis (the .300 PRC is a full custom in an XLR). I even bought them a Tikka T1x .22 LR and dropped it into an XLR, and they shoot the piss out of that thing. All summer they shoot the .22 LR, .22-250s, and .260, and then we’d send 1–3 rounds downrange with the bigger guns each range session just to keep their confidence up.

Two years ago I decided to try a 6.5 PRC, and I haven’t touched any of my .30 cals since. The boys love it and will shoot it all day long, suppressed, with ports on the end to help reduce recoil.

This past year I’ve been feeling my older boy out on what he’d want for his first “own” big game rifle. Every time, he says .300 WSM because that’s what he started with and he thinks it’s cool. I hope it doesn’t break his heart when he opens a new Tikka 6.5 PRC on Christmas morning in a couple weeks, but I just couldn’t bring myself to buy him a .300. If he really wants to take a .30 cal on an elk or bear hunt, he can grab one of mine but I know he’ll enjoy the 6.5 a lot more during range sessions.

As far as optics go, we’ve run a lot of glass over the last few years. The NX8 eyebox wasn’t very forgiving, and they struggled with it in field shooting positions. My older boy would probably be fine now, but after his first season I sold the three I had and switched to NXS scopes with a much more forgiving eyebox.

We’ve also had Zeiss V4s and Vortex LHTs. I had trust issues with the V4s, so I sold them. I had a VX-5 as well, but after the drop test on here, that one went too. The LHT was the 4-22 FFP, and the boys didn’t care for FFP at low power when calling coyotes.

Their two favorite scopes right now are the 5.5-22×56 NXS and the 3-18 Trijicon Tenmile. They’re still on the fence about the FFP Tenmile for low-power predator hunting. For low-light and bear hunting, my older boy prefers the NXS, where only the center of the reticle illuminates instead of the entire thing.

He also helped me dial in a load for a buddy’s 6.5 PRC this summer that had a Trijicon Credo 4-16×50 on it. He really liked that scope as an SFP option but was worried it might not have enough top-end magnification. Both boys prefer the NXS turrets, hard to argue with the solid clicks on a Nightforce.

I’d try to get your son behind as many scopes as possible. If you post what optics you’re considering and your location, I’m sure there are guys on here who would meet up for a range session and let your son look through their setups. Looking through scopes in a store just isn’t the same as using them in the field.

I bought him the rifle, but I want him to have some ownership in it, so I’m going to have him pay for half of whatever scope he chooses. I’m really curious to see what he picks and I’d bet it’ll take him a month or two because he really thinks things through.

Same deal with the stock. If he wants an XLR, I’ll split the cost with him. If he wants to try a HNT26, Rokstock, or something else, I’ll split that too. When they first started, I pulled the folders off the XLRs to shorten the LOP and ran the heavier TR-2 buttstock to help manage recoil.
This sounds similar to how I did it with my boys except they only shot the .22 and .17 and .223 at the range. First time they shot their 7-08’s were at deer. After they each shot their first deer I let them shoot their 7-08’s as much as they wanted at the range. They’ve never had any issues with recoil that I’ve noticed. They were very comfortable shooting from the range time with the .22 .17 .223

I thought I read that the Zeiss did descent in the drop test? I’m stuck between Zeiss V4/V6, NF SHV, Burris Veracity and Trijicon Huron or Credo. I’ve never had a scope with higher than 16x so I’m not sure how important a higher zoom is although I’m pretty convinced i should get him something with higher zoom
 
I thought I read that the Zeiss did descent in the drop test? I’m stuck between Zeiss V4/V6, NF SHV, Burris Veracity and Trijicon Huron or Credo. I’ve never had a scope with higher than 16x so I’m not sure how important a higher zoom is although I’m pretty convinced i should get him something with higher zoom
Zoom range is also another thing that’s changed a lot as they’ve became more experienced and grown the last few years, their first year I had some 6-24 and that was too much on the low end hunting and finding animals but they loved it on the higher end at the range and once they’ve found animals.

Now that they are bigger and easier for them to get behind the gun they don’t struggle at all finding animals on the low end with high power scopes. With them advancing shooting the confidence is still there with the top end maxing out at 16x

Zero experience with Burris but they are on the list of scopes I’d like to try.

4-14x50 SHV F1 was one of my favorite scopes I’ve owned over the years but they really struggled seeing that reticle on low power in the sage yote hunting early on. I haven’t shopped in awhile, I avoid the classifieds in here because it gets me in trouble with my wife but most my NXS’s I’ve picked up used on here for about the cost of a new SHV.

I felt I had to tweak the zero slightly with that V4 on my 300wsm often, go to the range and I was always wondering if I had a bad day or if it did move, I put a 2-10x42 nxs on it 3 years ago and haven’t had to touch the zero once on it since

I’ve really liked the credo and tenmile scopes I’ve used. I’ve been checking these daily hoping they go off sale so I quit being tempted to buy a couple for my boys 22-250’s but they are still on sale https://palmettostatearmory.com/tri...ed-moa-center-dot-sfp-riflescope-2900001.html
 
I thought I read that the Zeiss did descent in the drop test? I’m stuck between Zeiss V4/V6, NF SHV, Burris Veracity and Trijicon Huron or Credo. I’ve never had a scope with higher than 16x so I’m not sure how important a higher zoom is although I’m pretty convinced i should get him something with higher zoom
I have a Zeiss V6.

In theory the V6 has better turrets (German/Wetzler, not Japanese) than the V4. My example (3-18x) got dropped hard once, I was carrying the rifle in both hands in front of me and tripped over a low fence wire and went face-first to the ground, the rifle sandwiched between the ground and my face and gave me a nice turret-shaped gash on my forehead, and didn't budge. But, no, they didn't do so great in the drop tests here. I'm not getting rid of this one - it's great glass and has tracked great for me - but I wouldn't likely buy another as Zeiss seems to be going through some changes and not for the better.

ETA: I have looked for a long time at the Burris Veracity 3-15x but am a bit distrustful of anything they make. They tend to not drop-test well, but people who have used the Veracity in normal field use tend to report good service from them.

I have a NF SHV and it's great if you can stand the reticle. I'm not a fan of the reticle at all. I'd happily buy any Trijicon, but, again, the reticles kinda stink.

Reality is, scopes that pass the drops tests here *AND* have sensibly designed, useable reticles, are few and far between.
 
I've never actually used the forceplex reticle but looking at the specs I'd think it would be much more functional in low light than the MOAR reticles. Much less precise for wind holds, but honestly I'd rather have the low-light functionality. YMMV.

So, yes, I'd be willing to try one of those.
 
What's wrong with the 257BEE? Re-barrel with a longer throat and 1/7.5 twist for the 135 to 145 bullets now available. You're good to go.

I going to amend this. Get him a 7PRC. Then you're all set for a re-barrel to to a 257BEE!
 
So, @Dfou , it's great you came in here and asked these questions. If nobody has yet offered you a welcome to the forum, then please consider this a warm and hearty welcome.

Having been on here quite a bit myself the last couple of years, I recognize a lot of the people in this thread and remember a lot about what they've shared regarding their shooting habits, capabilities, fails, successes, etc, over that period. These same guys who might seem like a jumbled mashup of faceless dudes on the internet, to me are, "Oh, the guy who hammered a buck at 630 yds, uphill, seated, resting his gun on a backpack", or "the guy who goes through 1000 rounds a month of centerfire rifle ammo across different cartridges", etc.

Here's a couple of things I can share that might help set the context for the responses you're getting:

1) Every single one of these guys commenting here, is giving you the most sincere, experienced answers we can give, genuinely trying to help, not looking down on you or your son in any way.

2) There's at least 4 in here I can safely say shoot over 3000-5000 centerfire rifle rounds each, annually. Some do more. I personally do about 5k. Just about anyone giving you a detailed answer is going through at least 1000 annually - all of whom share a very strong focus on field-realistic training and riflery competence for hunting realities.

3) Virtually none of us shoot magnums...anymore. Almost all of us used to. Those few commenting in your thread here who do, usually only do so with it as a specialized tool for very specific, uncommon purposes. This is a pattern of success that leaves clues based on high volumes of range and field experience.

4) Because the guys are so focused on field-realities and field competence, we may have a different understanding of what "proficient" would be, so please take that into account. For most of us, minimum proficiency is going to be something approximating being able to hit 8" vitals out to 300yds, in any field-expedient position, in any environmental conditions - rain, wind, snow, sundown, sunup, high-angle, shooting prone off a backpack, to something weird like being crouched low with a broken branch acting like a monopod as the only support. This is a far more difficult standard of proficiency than one would suspect, and it's made a full order of magnitude more difficult with a magnum.

5) Across time and people and experience, almost all of us shoot high volumes of .223 as a trainer, and only escalate cartridge size to the point we can keep that same level of proficiency. It's like starting with training wheels, and just removing them, and then maybe bumping up to a BMX bike...before hopping on a Kawasaki/Magnum. Consequently, few of us shoot anything bigger than 6CM, 6.5CM, or 6.5PRC on any North American big game - and yet we also all know that .223 with a good tipped match bullet will kill anything on the continent. There is over 600 pages of thousands of posts of proof, showing the documented photos of this. It's definitely worthwhile taking your time to read through this.

Please don't take any of this as an attack on you or your son - it's simply the best information we can provide, and it's being given sincerely, trying to help. And every single one of us here has had our worldviews challenged with all of this, especially when we first jump into this community. Much of it is very much against common, accepted wisdom.

So in my first response here in your post, please pardon the efficiency with which I shared the info I did - it wasn't meant to come across as jerkish or as parenting advice. It's just stuff I - and we - have seen our entire lives, and often went through ourselves as kids or parents, myself included.

One piece of advice I will give: If your son is really intent on a .300 Win Mag, bite the bullet and buy him 2 guns. A .223 Tikka, and a .300 Win Mag of his choice. Then set the standards of performance, with plenty of ammo for each to do with as he so chooses. It will be fairly evident for him, personally, where the path to success will be, fairly quickly.

@Dfou, so essentially only take advice from a very select group defined as "we" and you can't go wrong...
 
My kids run a 25 Saum. They need nothing else to kill anything. Low recoil great habits created for the shooter. When a 7 year old can tell you his point of impact that’s more important than shooting a boomer.
 
What about the forceplex reticle? I assume y’all are saying you don’t like the MOAR reticleView attachment 984875
I have the SHV 3-10 with this reticle on my wife's Remington Model 7 Youth 7mm-08.We have dialed it out to 500 yards, and the scope has been solid on multiple hunts. The only feature I wish it had is a Zero Stop. The scope has always held zero, and returned to zero accurately after dialing.
 
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