What is Federal paying to shill for 7 backcountry?

[ReaptheHeat]

Doesn't do anything that any of the 7s don't already do, at the expense of being an absolute barrel burner. This doesn't seem to be a cartridge targeted at the reloader type so the additional velocity is just hype to sell the thing to common folk. What's the barrel life on this? 500 rounds?

I see this dying quick. Your target market are really average joes buying hype and guys chasing peak performance at the top end, who happen to reload/shoot alot.

 

[wnelson14]

Noticed the same

Same as well

 

[satchamo]

All I’m hearing about is velocity this velocity that…

If someone can show me one that’s accurate - I’d be less skeptical but so far all I’ve seen is wild inconsistencies but this just watching videos so I’ll withhold too much judgement.

And yeah federal is definitely stuffing some pockets right now.

 

[Samson7x]

Cool concept but I won't be an early adopter.

Gotta combat those negative videos from that one dude with all the savage issues.

 

[alexnelon]

What's the barrel life on this? 500 rounds?

That's a lifetime for the people they're marketing it to.

3-5 rounds to re-zero their leupold scope every year and 0-2 rounds at animals. They'll be able to pass it down in 30 years and it'll still have half its life left.

 

[bnewt3]

Doesn't do anything that any of the 7s don't already do, at the expense of being an absolute barrel burner. This doesn't seem to be a cartridge targeted at the reloader type so the additional velocity is just hype to sell the thing to common folk.

Im not sure how you arrive at that. beats 7PRC and 7RM velocity with significantly shorter barrel.

My understanding is that barrel life is mostly a function of the powder to bore ratio. The powder is what burns the barrel. It has less powder than 7PRC, so barrel life should be longer. Maybe not much longer, but still longer.

And we arent talking about 4000fps. its existing 7mm Mag/PRC velocities out of a shorter barrel. Not earth shattering.

The target audience in my view is the hunter that wants 7PRC performance without a 24" barrel so they can run a suppressor and not have a 5ft long rifle.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

Im not sure how you arrive at that. beats 7PRC and 7RM velocity with significantly shorter barrel.

My understanding is that barrel life is mostly a function of the powder to bore ratio. The powder is what burns the barrel. It has less powder than 7PRC, so barrel life should be longer. Maybe not much longer, but still longer.

I didn't say that other 7s were the same velocity, just that the difference is insignificant.

Powder to bore ratio is commonly used because almost all cartridges are running the same pressures. 80k psi will have significant throat erosion compared to a 65k psi cartridge. I believe Little Crow Gunworks did a comparison on YT a few months ago between the 7s that's insightful.

 

[bnewt3]

I didn't say that other 7s were the same velocity, just that the difference is insignificant.

matching or beating velocity with a 16" barrel is insignificant compared to needing 24" barrel with the others?

I get if YOU dont need or care about that, we all get to do this our own way. But LOTS of people do care.

 

[bnewt3]

Shorter, suppressed rifles are only growing in popularity.

 

[wgcracker13]

Seems like YouTube is amuck with every influencer shilling the same talking points on 7mm Backcountry. Or maybe it’s just the algorithms targeting me. I’d like it to be successful but the shear volume of these all at once is pretty cringe.

PS Federal, I’d like some of the action for starting this thread

I noticed the same thing. It was weird to see the push, especially from vortex where the Western Hunt expo was 9 months ago. It does come down to your bullet at a given impact velocity that does the damage to kill. It's cool to see the innovation. I still think the Flannel Daddy videos are better with the .277 Sig Fury/6.8x51.

 

[bnewt3]

I noticed the same thing. It was weird to see the push, especially from vortex where the Western Hunt expo was 9 months ago. It does come down to your bullet at a given impact velocity that does the damage to kill. It's cool to see the innovation. I still think the Flannel Daddy videos are better with the .277 Sig Fury/6.8x51.

They said there were reasons they had to delay releasing those videos, but didnt elaborate.

 

[KurtR]

whats the wallop factor?

 

[DuckDawg22]

I think the name sucks

 

[alexnelon]

My understanding is that barrel life is mostly a function of the powder to bore ratio. The powder is what burns the barrel. It has less powder than 7PRC, so barrel life should be longer. Maybe not much longer, but still longer.

That's a quick and dirty way to estimate barrel life that works when comparing a 7mm-08 to a 7RM but doesn't really translate to a 80k+ PSI cartridge.

64 grains of a faster, hotter powder like N560 will erode the throat much faster than 67 grains of a slower, colder powder like H1000. That's 95% of the capacity with a powder that burns ~10% hotter.

There's no such thing as free velocity. To get a 175 grain 7mm to go 3,000 fps out of a 18 inch barrel, you're gonna burn it up. There's no way around it.

 

[wyosam]

That's a lifetime for the people they're marketing it to.

3-5 rounds to re-zero their leupold scope every year and 0-2 rounds at animals. They'll be able to pass it down in 30 years and it'll still have half its life left.

So basically there is all this velocity that really only comes into play at distance these folks have no business shooting. Seems like a lot of effort to do things a 18” 7-08 does just fine.


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[bnewt3]

whats the wallop factor?

Im a mechanic so I think in ugga-duggas. What's the conversion from wallop to ugga-dugga?

 

[The Guide]

You can check out my thread on my rifle and my experience with the 7mm Backcountry so far. I am using the cheapest available rifle and it has met expectations so far. I have been busy with hunting and other projects and haven't had a bunch of time to put bullets down range but I'm seeing 0.75 to 1.5 MOA groups from all ammo so far in initial testing with all velocities meeting or exceeding box velocities for a 20" barrel. I plan on hunting the rest of the Montana season I have off with it (Thanksgiving to Sunday) and shooting a cow elk in the late shoulder season with it. The 195 EOL is shooting the best in my rifle. Perfect waterline hits on steel at 500 and 700 with windage being a couple inches from point of aim. Very soft shooting with a suppressor (SilencerCo Omega 300 DTM) and a little spicy without.

Jay

Thread '7mm Backcountry, does BC stand for best choice or bad cartridge? Let's test it!' https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...-choice-or-bad-cartridge-lets-test-it.416780/

 

[intunegp]

Probably about what they pay/paid for a full page ad in American Rifleman or a 30 second ad on Outdoor Channel.

I don't understand why it is shocking that companies advertise their product. I don't get why it is shocking to people posting on an internet forum that advertising on the internet's largest video platform is the way they do it.

 

[Whaledriver]

Sounds like a Remington 280 +p. Backcountry is funny. Most people who will buy this will be within 100 yards of their pickup or atv at all times.....lol

 

[SloppyJ]

Stillllll waiting on the reloading stuff that they claimed was possible the day it dropped. Obviously there are issues. But they do seem to be pushing it a bit harder recently for some reason. Maybe they were mad at how it had already fallen off and they're trying to prop it back up on the ledge so it can make it's final fall.

Maybe I'm mistaken but to me, it seems that the guys that are on the cusp of pushing limits are reloaders. Not too many guys are going to be that into the ballistics if they're not already reloading because they're hamstrung by factory ammo. That's where this misses the mark in my book.