What do you think about the weird behaviour of my custom rifle?

[ssimo]

Then you answered it, You suck at shooting

Lol

I bet that if you tried my rifle you would have the same result assuming that the issue is actually the stock being too low. You can say I suck because i didn’t realize it earlier, it’s ok. Thank you gentleman

 

[The Guide]

I started to type out a good response to help the OP but I'm not going to spend a bunch of time on people who don't want to listen. I'll just the short response.

I know what is wrong. It is the way you look through the scope in different positions. Since the stock doesn't fit you well, the way you look through the eye box is at a different angle between the bench with a bipod and a bag than off a backpack in a more compromising position.

Jay

 

[ssimo]

Well, I guess @Formidilosus was right based on your next responses to people helping:

Guys why those should be bad or rude replies? It was just an answer, maybe a wrong one but with no tone of any kind..

However it is funny how people behave on forums, as a psychiatrist i have a couple ideas about this phenomenon XD

The toxic and aggressive behaviour of some people towards people they never met and never will meet is pretty sad.. Why should you attack me? What do you get in exchange? Maybe you don’t like my answers but i have always been polite, please do the same as a grown man..

Nothing personal (of course since i don’t know you)

 

[ssimo]

What does your gunsmith say about your issues?
If the rifle shoots laser beams in a controlled environment that your seem to be very comfortable with, but much less accurate in other shooting positions/situations, the rifle is very likely not the problem.

My smith says he has no clue and the rifle seems fine to him, he told me not to go looking for troubles doing tests and so i did. Until i started going hunting with the gun and the issue I observed popped up again

 

[Antares]

There is certainly some "weird behavior" here, but it is unrelated to the rifle.

 

[ssimo]

Then you are the issue. It’s pretty simple.

This sounds right. As you can read in my first post, my doubt was about the rifle being more sensitive to minor changes in conditions or positions than average

 

[ssimo]

Literally those two groups overlayed are probably 1 MOA. Shoot another couple and it’s 1.5.

You AND your rifle are consistently inconsistent. Welcome to reality

What are you drinking? These two groups (escludono the higher shot which was after complete cleaning and was expected to go high) are much smaller than 1 MOA combined and, even then, yes, with this rifle i am inconsistent. Something i have never seen, that’s why i started this thread.

Secondly, mixing all the groups from the first 10 shots of any session considering the maximum distance from the center of the target AT THE RANGE, the dispersion of about 30 shots (including different ranges and two positions-prone and sitting with bipod and rear bag) never went over 1 MOA more or less. I did a visualization of that, let’s see if i find it

Here you go

So no, it didn’t go to 1.5 MOA after those two groups. And not even after other 6 or 7 groups like those. The problem is when the conditions change ( different rear or front support, shooting uphill etc)

 

[ssimo]

So your gun shoots great off a bench and bags, then when you go shoot from positions you haven’t practiced much it isn’t as accurate???

Seems like it’s you.

Edit to add: that isn’t meant as an insult, I’d guess that applies to almost everybody. I’d think 100% of people will be less accurate from improvised positions that haven't practiced. Shooting off the bench is good for sighting a gun in, past that, it dosent really translate to real world shooting.

I agree and thank for the polite answer, since most of other users are attacking me for some reason..

That said, I agree. It is normal. But the question is: how much is it normal? I always shot while hunting from various positions and i have never observed this. I have never seen shots landing were i was not expecting, especially by 20 cm at 300 m. So since people seem to esclude the fact that the rifle can be intrinsecally more sensitive to positional changes, there is something wrong with the shooter-rifle interface

Maybe the comb height

 

[wind gypsy]

You didn't answer how you dial out parallax.

Two most obvious possible culprits IMO - 1 parallax error in different positions from different eye position. 2 you are imparting different forces on the rifle that impacts how the shot brakes and gun movement under recoil.

 

[ssimo]

How do you verify parallax error is tuned out?

2 MOA seems like a stretch but 1 MOA seems reasonable if there are significantly different pressures and input into the rifle.

Inadjust parallax knob and make sure that the reticle doesn’t move if i move my head

Ok my friend, thank you so much, you are the first one giving me an actual answer to my question

So 1 MOA sounds reasonable, 2 doesn’t. This reflects what I have seen in the past

 

[ssimo]

I might be getting a little toxic as ive gotten older. These threads make me happy ."please give me advice so I can tell you how you're wrong". Please keep going

Definitely a bit toxic yes. Especially because it’s pretty normal to say “you are wrong” to someone during a conversation. This shouldn’t imply attack s or toxic behaviours (or fun) for grown people

 

[ssimo]

My guess is it’s the way you align yourself with the stock. In a controlled environment you are able get a consistent position behind the rifle. Change the position and you aren’t properly aligned. For whatever reason, you and the stock don’t work together. There is nothing wrong with the gun.

Ok that’s another confirmation that it is unlikely that the gun is just more sensitive. It could be the comb height then!

I didn’t think it could be so critical, i Guess I have been lucky with my older RIfles to get a more optimal setup even without chasing it!

Thanks!

 

[MagnumHntr]

Lol

I bet that if you tried my rifle you would have the same result assuming that the issue is actually the stock being too low. You can say I suck because i didn’t realize it earlier, it’s ok. Thank you gentleman

Look up the rifle kraft drill/ training. Try it, be honest and examine your groups. It will more than likely tell you the truth that 97% of ppl that shoot SUCK at shooting.

 

[ssimo]

This is a common theme on forums. We need another name for people who do this. I vote to call them Randy's.

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My God, please can you stop thinking the thread? Ok, call me Randy, call me as you want. Just stop being rude, please, we are grown men

 

[ssimo]

Look up the rifle kraft drill/ training. Try it, be honest and examine your groups. It will more than likely tell you the truth that 97% of ppl that shoot SUCK at shooting.

I don’t know what this drill is but it could be interesting, i could give it a try!

 

[ssimo]

I started to type out a good response to help the OP but I'm not going to spend a bunch of time on people who don't want to listen. I'll just the short response.

I know what is wrong. It is the way you look through the scope in different positions. Since the stock doesn't fit you well, the way you look through the eye box is at a different angle between the bench with a bipod and a bag than off a backpack in a more compromising position.

Jay

Thanks for the answer Jay, so even if I make sure i eliminated the parallax error with the proper knob on the scope this issue remains? How so?

 

[The Guide]

I agree and thank for the polite answer, since most of other users are attacking me for some reason..

That said, I agree. It is normal. But the question is: how much is it normal? I always shot while hunting from various positions and i have never observed this. I have never seen shots landing were i was not expecting, especially by 20 cm at 300 m. So since people seem to esclude the fact that the rifle can be intrinsecally more sensitive to positional changes, there is something wrong with the shooter-rifle interface

Maybe the comb height

If you don't interface the stock in the same position each time, your point of impact will be different from each position you shoot from. Zero the gun from the field position you will be shooting from. Unless you are going to carry a bench/bipod/rear bag with you to hunt, you should sight it in from a field position.

Jay

 

[ssimo]

There is certainly some "weird behavior" here, but it is unrelated to the rifle.

And so it is me? My God, I entered in this forum a few months back last time and there was a little bit of toxicity but now we are on another level. What did i do to be weird?

Lol

 

[ssimo]

You didn't answer how you dial out parallax.

Two most obvious possible culprits IMO - 1 parallax error in different positions from different eye position. 2 you are imparting different forces on the rifle that impacts how the shot brakes and gun movement under recoil.

I use the parallax knob and check for movements of the reticle while keeping it steady and moving my head

For the second point, sure. But how much is normal?

For example if you hold your rifle very firmly and then very loosely, how much poi shift do you expect at 100 yards?

 

[mtnbound]

What are you drinking? These two groups (escludono the higher shot which was after complete cleaning and was expected to go high) are much smaller than 1 MOA combined and, even then, yes, with this rifle i am inconsistent. Something i have never seen, that’s why i started this thread.

Secondly, mixing all the groups from the first 10 shots of any session considering the maximum distance from the center of the target AT THE RANGE, the dispersion of about 30 shots (including different ranges and two positions-prone and sitting with bipod and rear bag) never went over 1 MOA more or less. I did a visualization of that, let’s see if i find it

Here you go

So no, it didn’t go to 1.5 MOA after those two groups. And not even after other 6 or 7 groups like those. The problem is when the conditions change ( different rear or front support, shooting uphill etc)

From what I understand, the rifle's accuracy is acceptable until you change the shooting position, use a different rifle support system, or shoot at angles. Is that correct?