Wet Mount Rings to Base

[gbflyer]

Have we discussed this here before? He’s a little hard to understand, however I find his information interesting.

 

[hereinaz]

Interesting. I never did anything with the rail to ring surfaces…

I can see the sense of what he says, lube it so that there are no friction points for it to move between.

I wonder if using loctite will allow for the frictionless mount when wet and then hold as “bedding” and an adhesive. I probably will give loctite a try.

This is interesting given the results of the Rokslide drop testing.

 

[SDHNTR]

Can someone translate or paraphrase.? I couldn’t get through it

 

[gbflyer]

Interesting. I never did anything with the rail to ring surfaces…

I can see the sense of what he says, lube it so that there are no friction points for it to move between.

I wonder if using loctite will allow for the frictionless mount when wet and then hold as “bedding” and an adhesive. I probably will give loctite a try.

This is interesting given the results of the Rokslide drop testing.

Seems like Loctite would serve the purpose of letting things slip into place maybe? Good question.


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[TaperPin]

Can someone translate or paraphrase.? I couldn’t get through it

If the pic rail and ring dovetail are dry they aren’t always fully seated even with normal torque on the screw. They had a fancy non contact measurement device and observed small movements with a hand slap to the side of the scope with dry contact, and no movement when the pic rail and dovetail had a light coat of oil.

 

[SDHNTR]

Hmmm, so how does oil ensure full contact? Hydraulic pressure of sorts?

 

[hereinaz]

Hmmm, so how does oil ensure full contact? Hydraulic pressure of sorts?

No, his idea is that the oil prevents the dovetail connection from slipping between two friction points. That it allows the mount to slide into one position, without friction stopping it.

 

[SDHNTR]

Seems like it would just introduce problems down the road as that oil got into screw threads. I’d rather have a perfectly clean mounting surface, tighten snug, tap on it from the side to make sure the clamp is fully seated on the rail, then torque to spec. Also why I like NF rings with that big claw and big nut. 68 in # gives me the warm fuzzies.

 

[Formidilosus]

Have we discussed this here before? He’s a little hard to understand, however I find his information interesting.

Sure. It always makes sense when I have objects I do not want to move or slip, ever- to put oil on those things, to help them move or slip easier.


And, of course it’s not the scopes losing zero…

 

[TaperPin]

Sure. It always makes sense when I have objects I do not want to move or slip, ever- to put oil on those things, to help them move or slip easier.


And, of course it’s not the scopes losing zero…

You haven’t watched the video have you. Without oil the rings don’t settle into the base reliably - same setup with light oil on the same base and it does.

 

[gbflyer]

Sure. It always makes sense when I have objects I do not want to move or slip, ever- to put oil on those things, to help them move or slip easier.


And, of course it’s not the scopes losing zero…

Rod bolts as an example aren’t meant to move or slip but are assembled with a lube. I’d think as analytical as your mind is you’d try it. Or maybe you already have?

 

[Formidilosus]

You haven’t watched the video have you. Without oil the rings don’t settle into the base reliably - same setup with light oil on the same base and it does.

Yes, I’m sure as is my habit I don’t read, or watch information before commenting...

The “oil” mounts and screws from Håkan is not new. Again- oil makes things move easier. If that’s what you want for your scope mounting system- knock yourself out. If you also believe that “quality, standard picatinny rings” installed to 65in-lbs and getting smacked by a palm are shifting 3 mils- knock yourself out.

Even though…. When certain scopes are mounted exactly the same in good rings- no shift happens. But, those rings also aren’t Sphur… that crack.

 

[Formidilosus]

Rod bolts as an example aren’t meant to move or slip but are assembled with a lube. I’d think as analytical as your mind is you’d try it. Or maybe you already have?

See above.

 

[TaperPin]

Yes, I’m sure as is my habit I don’t read, or watch information before commenting...

*chuckle*

I agree with you on this one - it’s a lot to do about nothing.

 

[gbflyer]

Yes, I’m sure as is my habit I don’t read, or watch information before commenting...

The “oil” mounts and screws from Håkan is not new. Again- oil makes things move easier. If that’s what you want for your scope mounting system- knock yourself out. If you also believe that “quality, standard picatinny rings” installed to 65in-lbs and getting smacked by a palm are shifting 3 mils- knock yourself out.

Even though…. When certain scopes are mounted exactly the same in good rings- no shift happens. But, those rings also aren’t Sphur… that crack.

I assumed he was using the same scope each time to respond to your first post. I don’t know Sphur. Good to know about the poor quality. Never heard of it until I saw this.

 

[wapitibob]

I use imperial case lube every time I remove the scope from the rail.

 

[TaperPin]

With those of us using steel bases or rings it’s not a question, since we have to lightly oil everything to prevent rust. I’ve seen a rifle covered in light surface rust after its owner misunderstood owners of stainless rifles saying they never oil anything. Lol

 

[Choupique]

I don't think this is the right thing to do. Lubricate stuff that needs to be lubricated on assembly with loctite 242. It'll help them seat, if that really is even a thing, and hold them after they do.

Slather everything in 242 and it'll make life better.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Sure. It always makes sense when I have objects I do not want to move or slip, ever- to put oil on those things, to help them move or slip easier.


And, of course it’s not the scopes losing zero…

Curious your input on the Loctite on the dovetails for a "lube" in this situation.

 

[fmyth]

Rod bolts as an example aren’t meant to move or slip but are assembled with a lube. I’d think as analytical as your mind is you’d try it. Or maybe you already have?

Apples to oranges. Most modern engines use connecting rod bolts that are torque to yield and you need the assembly lube to get the proper tty (bolt stretch) measurement.